What happens to kids if AI takes entry level jobs? What you advising them?

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On back of the worming class boys thread. If AI takes over white collar jobs, what happens to all the m.c. communities. Education and aspiration became a feature post industrialisation once blue collar jobs disappeared and you needed education to get ahead in office jobs. What happens now? My kid is only 6 but already thinking about this.

If AI takes jobs, does education become pointless. How are parents guiding their kids? Looking at parts that lost industries, will parts of South east become like that once office jobs go?

If even Oxbridge and STEM is no longer enough to guarantee a comfortable life, then what for the young people?

how will the government afford it? There won’t be enough working people paying tax. The companies saving money aren’t going to willingly fund it.

what level do you think it’ll be set at? Enough for people to have a nice lifestyle? Hobbies and holidays? Or a pittance like universal credit where you’re struggling to eat. I’d take a guess at the latter.

People often say “new jobs will be created,”.
I live in a small town in the North East, and it’s hard to believe that if local jobs disappear, equivalent new ones will suddenly appear here. More likely, many people will be expected to move to larger cities, leaving smaller towns further behind.

The Industrial Revolution brought progress, but also years of misery and displacement for the working classes . The computer age did the same in many offices replacing large numbers of clerical and data-entry roles jobs largely done by women. AI is on a massive scale and it is also moving very fast.

That’s why I’m sceptical when people casually promise AI will all work out and it seems that a lot of these people are older and to honest don’t have to worry as much about it.

I’m especially concerned about women, who are heavily represented in many administrative and service jobs now exposed to AI. If those roles disappear , and trades remain male-dominated, we completely risk turning the clock backwards on women’s economic independence.

I agree. I don't think having swathes of bored, underoccupied people wandering around is going to be great for the individuals concerned or for society in general. The devil finds work for idle hands and all that...

My 15 year old also watches follows the news, he’s aware of the state of the world, everyone should take an interest in current affairs. He has lots of plans. Of course him and his brother will have challenges in life and not all of his plans will work out. But I still think constantly telling your children how hard their life will be is both unkind and counterproductive. I tell my children I believe in them and am excited for their future. Of course I encourage them to think about multiple options, both academic and not. I encourage them to think about moving areas or even countries. DS1 will likely study abroad at some point. It’s not that I think their life will be perfect/easy. I just know a lot of people who are so negative about their children’s future. It makes me sad for those children. Being realistic and prepared is important but that doesn’t have to mean relentless negativity, it is the negativity from parents to their children about the future that I strongly believe is deeply unkind and unhelpful.

So how will the robot dentist deal with all the issues real humans bring up? Don’t get me wrong I can absolutely see AI/robots being used as an extra help for many treatments. But how is it dealing with the patient who suddenly starts panicking half way through treatment? Or the one who starts gagging and choking and sometimes actually throws up? The one who jumps and throws their arms up and knocks the equipment. The one who has extreme sensitivity and can’t handle certain treatments. The one who suddenly feels faint and collapses. Or the one who won’t stop bleeding after an extraction. Or the one who examines their teeth for 20 mins after an appointment asking why there’s a minuscule stain on a very back tooth, why is one particular tooth a slightly different colour to the others, why does the gum feel weird on the left, what’s that mark under their tongue, why does that tooth feel rough? It definitely feels rough. It didn’t feel like that when I came in. You need to fix it. And most importantly, the one who has a tiny lesion they hadn’t noticed that is actually early stage oral cancer.

So even if robots are helping with the actual treatment, I really can’t see them being able to deal with the human side of dentistry.

People saying get a trade have often no idea of what working a trade is like. Back breaking work, early starts and pension or sick pay

Some people are capable of doing this.

Same with people who believe robots are going to be caring for the elderly. Not the demented, confused or delirious ones they aren't.

Young people definitely need to be mindful of this when choosing their career as some jobs will surely die out. In my profession AI is beginning to do the drudge work that newly qualified graduates used to slave over, but human beings are still required to assess and communicate AI's work product. So new human beings will still need to be trained up to take over this role, but hopefully they will be spared the years of drudgery from the "old days" (a good thing surely!).

Professional companies offer very safe working, indeed no one is allowed to climb a ladder or carry out any work without risk assessments. Construction is a great area to get into but people tend to only have experience of domestic trades, who tend to be self employed which is still a very attractive financial proposition. Most commercial companies have paye workers.

Those who are employed rather than self employed WILL be eligible for workplace pensions and sick pay as they're legal requirements. Likewise they'll be protected by the H&S legislation to protect them against unsafe working practices, etc. A decent employer will also provide protective clothing and usually provide lifting equipment for heavy items (or ensure 2 or more people to carry it).

Those who choose to be self employed, whether for domestic homeowners, or as subcontractors for bigger firms on building sites, etc., obviously take their own risks and have to finance their own pensions and sick pay.

The "tradesmen" I've seen working from big firms such as BT, Sky, Virgin, British Gas, National Grid, etc., all seem to be very well versed in H&S protections, all seem to have plenty of protective clothing, and seem to engage in safe working practices reducing the immediate and long term risks to their health.

They can do an apprenticeship at 18. There is no harm in spending extra time in school/college, they could even get a BTEC qualification to match a potential apprenticeship.

No - for exactly the reasons you state.

i’d be interested iin how they stop the hallucinations though.

I don’t know enough about how it’s coded, but you can set the creativity level on our software, where at one end it doesn’t pull on anything other than the sources its trained on and a higher level where it can reason and possibly hallucinate as it “thinks” more for itself so it’s doable.

As i implied, I don't think it's going to come in.

What the government should do if we get to the stage described is tax the people who hoard the massive profits that are driven by AI stealing people's jobs. But, as I said, we all know which way things would go in that situation and there will be little interest in ensuring we have a fair society if it means a few billionaires need to be slightly less wealthy.

I'm advising my DC to move to the EU - legislation wise, they seem to have twigged onto the human impact of AI much quicker than the US/UK.

(This isn't the only reason I'm advising them to move to the EU).