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Ancient Apocalypse - Ancient types sacrificing and eating children? Really?

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likelysuspect · 22/04/2026 21:08

Ive just started watching a series on Iplayer about the downfall of various ancient civilisations and only halfway through the series to find each one seems to end or have some degree of cannabilism and child sacrifice of some degree

I mean I know its good drama and people love a bit of blood and gore but as I get older I find it harder to believe that these things happen.

AIBU to believe its a bit exaggerated, I mean how come we hear about it in very very very ancient civilisations but not really in later ones. I dont recall this about the Romans, ME peoples or the Chinese dynasties. (for example)

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GarlicFind · 30/04/2026 18:46

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 30/04/2026 16:37

good lord @GarlicFind - did your latin books give any sources for this? Though honestly it doesn't seem unrealistic given other info.

@SerendipityJane you only have to look on this thread, two posts up from you! Very odd post.

Eye witness - one of MN's classicists will probably know who it was. His views on slavery reform were unpopular: he wasn't even against it, just disliked excessive abuse. He had an argument with his friend, the farm owner, while staying as a guest. It was a well-known 'truth' at the time that slaves and wives should be beaten every day.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 30/04/2026 22:57

Not far removed from some medieval beliefs. I was shocked when the Spitalfields famine / plague pits were excavated for the Rail link. Because it was a mass death event, normal burial norms were suspended and people were just buried together.

The archeologists found that men had more fractures overall, but women's broken bones were 'far more likely to be' forearm fractures of the sort that only happen when you're holding your arm up to protect against blows. Some reports very specifically refused to draw conclusions about the sort of partnerships women endured! Others do suggest it

https://the-past.com/feature/spitalfields-cemetery-and-the-famine-of-1258/

London's volcanic winter: Spitalfields cemetery and the famine of 1258 | The Past

Mass graves were needed all too often in the Medieval world, but establishing the specific tragedy behind any given set is difficult. Now Don Walker believe ...

https://the-past.com/feature/spitalfields-cemetery-and-the-famine-of-1258

GarlicFind · 01/05/2026 00:03

What an interesting article, @ReleaseTheDucksOfWar! The mega-eruption was in Lombok, conclusively determined the year after this article was published, in 2013.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 01/05/2026 18:34

Isn't it just. Very thought provoking.

Ill look that up, not heard of the Lombok eruption before !

WaryCrow · 01/05/2026 22:07

GarlicFind · 30/04/2026 18:46

Eye witness - one of MN's classicists will probably know who it was. His views on slavery reform were unpopular: he wasn't even against it, just disliked excessive abuse. He had an argument with his friend, the farm owner, while staying as a guest. It was a well-known 'truth' at the time that slaves and wives should be beaten every day.

Not sure if either of these is the one but both Varro and Cato wrote about agriculture and chained slaves.

GarlicFind · 01/05/2026 22:12

Thank you, @WaryCrow. Cato rings a bell, Varro doesn't. Not that this signifies much - it was 55 years ago and I haven't been speaking to many Ancient Romans since then!

AmberTigerEyes · 02/05/2026 10:09

Womanofcustard · 29/04/2026 12:58

Carthaginian child sacrifice widely believed to be Roman ‘blood libel’ to excuse their destruction, and again with the Druids. Ditto the Spanish with the Aztecs. Most early civilisations did practice sacrifice, but probably not to the extent reported.

Ironic given that infanticide was legal in ancient Roman society. You could just dump a newborn at the local rubbish tip, alive or dead. Slavers would sometimes go round and pick up live abandoned infants raise them in pseudo orphanages and then sell them once they were 5 or 6.

AmberTigerEyes · 02/05/2026 10:13

CoffeeCantata · 29/04/2026 13:11

Whether child sacrifice happened or not, it's difficult to assess the scale. Another area where I wonder if the numbers quoted should be taken literally is the Roman games.

You read of thousands of victims (I think for one games at the Colosseum, something like 5,000+ people were said to have been killed). If you think about this, how on earth would that number of bodies be quickly disposed off, especially in the hot weather of Rome?

The lions can only eat so many bodies. Lions tend to hunt, kill, eat and then sleep for a few days. And where would all these corpses be buried, if there were several games a year on this scale? Surely vast mass-graves would have been found. Plus, if you think of the effort it would take to dig a grave for one body.....it's hard to believe thousands could be regularly dealt with.

Similarly with gladiators. They were the highly-trained Premier league heroes of the time - and popular with the punters. I don't think they'd have been allowed to be killed as often as Hollywood films might imply. Yes, prisoners and 'criminals' but not the top, star players.

Romans cremated their dead from late republic to empire probably due to the impact of increasing population. So, likely on a big bonfire (bone fire) after the games.

Sometimes bodies would be dismembered and chucked into the sewers to the river Tiber and then swept out to sea.

SerendipityJane · 02/05/2026 10:41

AmberTigerEyes · 02/05/2026 10:09

Ironic given that infanticide was legal in ancient Roman society. You could just dump a newborn at the local rubbish tip, alive or dead. Slavers would sometimes go round and pick up live abandoned infants raise them in pseudo orphanages and then sell them once they were 5 or 6.

The Romans affected horror at the barbarian nature of human sacrifice - probably discussing it whilst watching condemned criminals being torn to pieces by wild animals before the gladiatorial games.

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