To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

[TheLemonGuide]

Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

The reason we ask people to do their blood pressure at home rather than at the GP surgery is that the evidence is that it is a more accurate reflection of your BP, not because we can't be bothered 🤷

I guess the way to look at it is eating junk and endless UPF takes it's toll as well, I suppose it's the devil we don't know though isn't it? but I do know a few people who have used it short term for a boost and they seem to be keeping the weight off. Long term who knows how it will it manifest but if you're obese we all know the risks from that, so I would imagine the risks are worth it?

Who’s lecturing? You have engaged me in conversation but seem unhappy that I dare to have a different view of the world to you. It’s like you are desperate to catch me out on a little detail to prove a point. You are free to ignore what I have stated along with the myriad of evidence that supports my stance regarding the global obesity epidemic.

It was the way it was phrased.

I, like you, have a piggy face. In fact most of my body probably resembles that of a warthog.

I don’t mind that, I’ve been quite happy in my piggy skin for quite some time. I’m losing weight for health reasons, not because I’m suddenly bothered about my pig face, or what other people think of it.

We can’t assume that everyone else feels the same way, though. I spent my teen/young adult years really taking in all the shitty things people say about fat people, it’s what in the end lead to my adolescent ED. It’s very hard to break that cycle, and I wouldn’t want to contribute to someone else’s insecurities.

It’s precisely because I’m aware of how I felt about that judgement that I try not to impose it on others. If you do have a piggy face too, you should get that.

Also a risk that you’ll get a false reading because the patient knows if they give the real answer the medication will stop. Insanely risky.

Have you finished your self-righteous, sanctimonious sermon now? I’m not interested in responding to any more of it.

Perhaps but humans have been around for a lot longer than 15000 years so it’s a relatively recent addition.

I would love to have seen our ancestors survive on nuts, seeds and grains during winter in Northern Europe!

Yes. I think most of us would ignore the advice of someone who says it’s “easy” to lose weight, because it quite obviously isn’t.

If it was “easy,” WLIs wouldn’t exist and we’d all be a size 8.

At last, a considered response to thinking it could backfire on people who are not obese but self procuring their drugs.
I'm overweight but wouldn't buy these drugs because I think possibly, the risks outweigh (pun intended) the benefits for all but the dangerously obese who are prescribed the drugs and monitored.

I've got white coat syndrome myself, so am familiar with that, but it isn't the case that this is the reason rather than a reason. NHS England states that there are multiple reasons why a person might be asked to do this, two of which relate fully or partially to resources.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/clinical-policy/cvd/home-blood-pressure-monitoring/

This is not a bad thing. We don't have unlimited HCPs. Taking people's word for some things helps keep systems functioning.

Definitely not wheat (too much energy for little reward) but lots of animal food including beef, venison, pork or whatever could be caught.

Things like nuts roots etc would be backup and depending on season of course.

I have some friends who have had amazing results from the jabs, and now feel younger and fitter/more able to participate in exercise, which must be a good thing.

But I have family history of osteoporosis, and struggle to take in recommended amounts of calcium and protein for a vegetarian perimenopausal woman.

I really wonder if a very restricted diet for long periods of time it is good for muscle and bone build-up in middle-aged women.

There was a time when most people were super slim and athletic. And it wasn’t even something people thought about. Many people find it very easy still today if they care to understand nutrition and a little of our physiology.

Not sure you’ve been following a word of what I have tried to explain so will leave it there and wish you well.

Why do people bother to respond to these OPs? A neverbeforeseen poster commenting on WLI, after the success of another neverbefore[orsince]seen poster on animal testing in WLI/pharmaceuticals a few days ago.

Really? 🤦🏽‍♀️

It wasn’t sanctimonious or self-righteous at all. People like you often try to shut others down like this because you have nothing of substance to come back with.

I simply pointed out that calling Coleen ‘piggy’ and ‘haggard’ is unnecessarily nasty.

You can disagree or have an opinion without resorting to that kind of language - it adds nothing to the discussion. And your childish flouncing just confirms you know you’re wrong.

You missed my fundamental point about why eating and hunger is important.

If only it was that simple then the world would be a magical place full of pink unicorns.

What you are proposing is dystopian.

The example you give here isn't even one of people losing weight, so it looks like you're the one who's not following.

I have seen you mention this hunger thing, can I ask, have you ever taken WLI? I am hungry every single day. Hunger is, as you say, normal. The only time I didn’t feel pangs was the first couple of weeks, once I settled into it the hunger feeling was present. I’m hungry now, tea is cooking and I’m hungry. Totally normal. I have been on WLI 18 months. The huge difference for me is that I do not eat crap while waiting for that tea to cook. I simply wait, whilst feeling hungry, like a normal person.

Nobody forces anyone to take the meds... If people do t want them much better to say so them lie about it to keep the Dr happy.

Blood pressure readings at home are more accurate than clinics readings across the board. Not just because of white coat hypertension. For example, we ask people to do readings over a no. of days at home to get an average over time.

The reports that weight gain escalated when the medication stopped are concerning. Who wants, or will be able to afford, to inject themselves for evermore? And who knows what the lasting implications might be? I suppose the hope is that, after a lengthy time on the medication, habits will have changed. Unfortunately, the large numbers who return to slimming clubs after significant loss, seem to suggest this isn’t often so. As a swift solution to an urgent problem it seems fine. As a lasting solution to a complex problem it seems less so.

As I said, it is a fact that there are multiple reasons why someone might be asked to do this. Repeating one of them doesn't unhappen the others.

But even if you want to ignore the resource related ones cited by NHS England, it doesn't affect the point that relying on patients unverified word is quite common practice in the NHS. If you prefer a non BP example, when I took the oral contraceptive pill I was sometimes asked to send the GP my weight rather than go in to have it checked. There's an obvious incentive there to lie, unwisely, if someone wants to stay on the medication.

To that end, if someone's concerned about lack of monitoring, that goes well beyond WLI users.

I contemplated replying to this effect. The total loss of hunger is just in the first few weeks/months. After 3 years (I am on a maintenance dose), I still feel hunger , but it is not accompanied by the food noise and the cravings. I just notice I am a bit hungry as a meal-time approaches and make a sensible food choice accordingly. My 18yo DS who has been on them for nearly 2 years feels the same. We still enjoy a good meal at Christmas, but happily self regulate and enjoy our food when hunger shows itself. I have recently been out for a 6 course meal and ate every course over the 3 hours it was served (with a floor show in between). Was quite happy with cereal and soup the next day as still felt satisfied. But have kept 6 stone off for 18m.

It helps reset hunger. It doesn’t eradicate it forever. It helps you recalibrate your relationship with food so that you can return to sensible portions and healthy choices. It doesn’t make you starve like phen-phen used to back in the 90s (tried that and it was diabolical).

No one ever said these were a cure, more like a tools. These substances have been discovered in 70s. They are well studied, the mechanisms are understood, the side effects are known, the contraindications are etated. They do not cause any addiction. Subcutaneous injections do not require training, and performed daily by millions of people - diabetics, IVF treatment etc. so not sure what are you worried about?