To wonder if there will be any fall out from skinny jabs?

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Everyone I know is now suddenly very slim. Okay, im exaggerating slightly, but genuinely, most of my friends who were previously overweight are all now slim thanks to skinny jabs. I am delighted for them! It seems unbelievable to think that a jab can cure this obesity crisis, but I am so pleased my friends and a couple of family members are able to live a healthier life thanks to this.

My only slight concern is, is this something that is going to be too good to be true? Do you think there will be any long term repercussions, or are we right to just celebrate this medication as a cure for something that so many have been battling for so long?

I agee with you. I'm not on weight lose injections. But in on mysimba. Mysimba threads don't seem to take of. So I read threads like this. But they are kind of simlar.

I think alot of people ask because they are thinking about it. Are worried about it. Want to hear from real people rather than Google. If I ask questions it means I want to understand i want to be educated.

On MN one faux thread = all threads are the same.

The majority of that is hyperbole, particularly people jabbing in front of their children and eating tiny portions. Thats not what happens.

The fall out will be that people live longer and live healthier lives

I agree im on a weight lose aid not WLI
But I have lost muscle. Im much weaker than I was. Theres things I can't lift that I could before.

I admit I'm shitting myself about regaining. I take a lowish dose because I don't want to completely turn food signals of. Because I'm scared if I have to stop taking them it will hit me like a ton of bricks. And I think if I keep the dose light it may not be so hard.

With the child thing. I think its possible people automatically change what food comes into the house. Because peoples food signals have changed. So when shopping the cakes and high cals/fat foods won't go on the trolley. Depends on the person/family though.

I doubt people inject infront of their kids though. I have tablets and my kids don't know I'm on them

What are you planning to do about the muscle loss? Ultimately to gain muscle you need weight training, protein and a calorie surplus.

The fall out will be that people live longer and live healthier lives

And a lifetime of financial & WLI (drug) dependency in order to do so.

Why is needing medication to remain healthy an issue? That's the case for many people for many conditions. I have essential high blood pressure and will need medication for that for life. It's an NHS prescription so not costing me a lot, although I could buy them privately if I wanted or needed to for around the same price.

Arguably that's the fallout from the preexisting obesity as much as the WLI use, given that we all know obesity raises ones chances of many conditions and that other weight loss methods probably wouldn't work.

The issue is that it's self funded and costly. It's another cost added to the monthly outgoings.
We have countless threats about the COL crisis. I fear that some people will get into debt over it, then what?

Being obese can also be expensive for some people.

"And a lifetime of financial & WLI (drug) dependency in order to do so."

DH will be on medication for life. I will probably be on medication for life (and have to pay for my prescriptions). In fact most people eventually have medication for life.

@KidsAndDogsGalore people will manage their finances to prioritise whatever is necessary for them as they would do for anything else. Some might have to swap to a cheaper medication, or have to stop taking it if they really can't afford it. These are individual issues for individual people in each person's own circumstances. It would be lovely if WLI were widely available on the NHS at prescription cost, but they aren't so people who start to take WLI privately will be aware of the need to self fund over the medium or longer term.

I am not sure what the massive worry is about this - some kind of economic impact from rising levels of personal debt driven by private WLI prescriptions?

I was thinking I will start using weights light ones to start and heavier as I build strength

Worth pointing out that some people absolutely do not find them to be costly.

My maintenance MJ works out about £25 a week all considered. Ie one of the dearer drugs, post price hike, and before we start to see cheaper copies or patents run out in the UK. It will get even less expensive over time. This simply isn't a significant sum for me. I'm not remotely unusual either. For many of us, it's an easily absorbed cost.

We're getting rather barrel scrapey speculating about debt. Especially if we're not doing it to the same extent over things that are actually documented to cause problem debt already, like spending on holidays and clothes.

They will be totally funded by the nhs eventually.

I’m on Mounjaro and the amount I save each month on takeaways, the weekly shop (buying less food), meals out (I don’t go out to eat nearly as much), and booze is actually more than what the jabs cost each month

I’ve lost 6 stone and not lost muscle (obviously you lose a bit if you lose 1/3 of your body weight). I have a PT who does strength training with me twice a week, I like the accountability. Weights and strength training are what everyone needs, especially as we get older, weight loss or not. Some PTs will train you on the equipment then programme you so it is cheaper, but having a few sessions 121 is a good idea so you know you have the right form. You don’t need to lift heavy (unless you want to).

There are also group PT sessions you can join to keep costs lower.

Absolutely there is zero data on medium to long term effects. Madness anyone uses them unless the last resort

That isn’t true, they have been around 20 years. What there isn’t data on the positive impact on health conditions which are not diabetes, and increasingly there seem to be a lot. There was an article in the NYT on how doctors are using it for recovery after cancer treatment, for heart disease, IBS, inflammation etc. Because it seems to trigger a hormone response in the brain rather than the stomach it seems to impact far more than just satiety. So actually they could end up being even more powerful and positive than we think.

But they aren’t for everyone, and not all doctors really understand them to help people use them properly and healthily.

5000 calories is very easy to eat in a day and many unknowingly do this.

A Takeaway pizza alone can be close to 2000 calories. Add in some beers and a desert and you’re well on your way. One only has to be a fraction above maintenance and due to excess insulin, they will store fat. This is why calorie counting and restriction fails for most people.

I don’t think you’re really understanding the fact that humans were never designed to eat most of what is classified as food today. This is why I mention the analogy with steak as it’s almost impossible to overeat it. We evolved eating foods that satiated us and kept us going for long periods without eating.

Plenty of people were wealthy enough to afford excess food pre ww2. Not as many as today but enough to prove that they did not get the levels of obesity that we see today.

You've forgotten to mention the very well known long term effects of obesity and the fact that already obese people are unlikely to get to and stay a healthy BMI without diet and exercise. Accidental omission I'm sure.

There is data on the impact in heart disease too

Not everyone is obese today. Not every wealthy person was thin pre ww2 either. Plenty were obese in middle age e.g queen victoria

It absolutely is possible to overeat steak though. You appear to have misunderstood that.

While I agree with some of your points about processed foods, the claims you've made at best go way beyond the actual evidence. And some of them, like overeating steak being impossible, are just plain wrong.

We evolved for a life where starvation was a constant threat, and so it was an advantage to want to eat lots of food when possible. No doubt many of our ancestors overate mammoth steak when it was available, and a useful hedge against starvation it would've been too.

But we now live in an environment where most of us never have to worry about starving, and would still be able to buy more calories than we needed even if processed food all vanished tomorrow. People can and do overeat non-processed foods, people can and do have hunger signals that prompt them to eat more steak then they'll burn off. We would need a solution for this even if we had no processed food.

There actually is though…