Is the femosphere a thing?

[Oneanddonejewishmum]

https://archive.ph/oVVo1

From the times article.

'Men are inherently selfish. They’re only interested in one thing. If you do manage to hook one into a relationship, don’t be surprised if you find yourself doing all the housework and tending to his emotions as well as his sexual desires — at least, until he decides to replace you with an even more compliant “bangmaid”.

That conflict (men are terrible, we want them anyway) has given rise to a phenomenon known as “heteropessimism”. “Basically, it’s this idea that straight women will performatively say, ‘I wish I weren’t straight; I wish I were a lesbian,’ while nevertheless continuing to date men,” explains Phoebe Maltz Bovy, author of the book The Last Straight Woman: On Desiring Men.

I do see some sentiment like that on mumsnet. I think social media is promoting extreme ideas i

I know on here men can be seen as the devil incarnate and I agree social media doesn’t help but in my opinion that article is a crock of shit.

I've just come from a thread about the Southport murders, you know, that case where yet another male violently targeted innocent little girls. So remind me, what I'm meant to get concerned about? Women insisting men pay for dates? Women not blindly adoring men? Women looking out for themselves?

I take issue with "don't be surprised if you find yourself"... Women do have a choice and some of us exercise that choice. I am not "finding myself" doing anything. I either make a choice to do it (for whatever misguided reason) or I choose not to.
It's the same old rhetoric that women are not in charge of their destiny, behaviors or choices that creates this "heteropessimism" bollocks. Yes, some men are terrible AND I don't want to date them. Other men are perfectly fine, more than fine, and these are the men I choose to date.

Have you ever heard some of the views on women that are commonly associated with the “manosphere”? They are absolutely vile. They are so much more extreme than what you’ve quoted here that there’s just no comparison.

Women complaining about sexist attitudes, including the assumption that they generally carry the mental load in a household is very different from men treating women as disposable sex objects and committing violence and murder against them.

You are basically comparing “I’m wary of being mistreated by men so much so that it puts me off having a relationship with one” with
”Women are inherently inferior. We should rank them accordingly with their perceived attractiveness/ fertility. It’s okay to manipulate them into relationships and try to dominate them. We should take away their general rights and their right to consent and we should have the right to hit them if they get out of line”

If all misogyny was to disappear tomorrow, there would be no more misandry.

If all misandry were to disappear tomorrow, guess what, there would still be misogyny.

Women responding, isn't the same as men instigating.

Unfortunately, a lot of men hide the fact they are terrible. Just look at Gisele Pelicot's husband - how tf was she supposed to know her husband was drugging her, raping her and getting other men to rape her.

Men dont start with the abuse straight away and they often wait until a woman is vulnerable- a lot of domestic abuse starts when a woman is pregnant or shortly after she has given birth.

It's not always a choice.

We are talking about garden variety "my husband can't cook and doesn't know how hoover works so I have to pick up all the household chores" situation that women somehow "find themselves" in.
Obviously, the writer does not refer to women who want to date rapists as a rule.

Are we? This quote suggests not: "Sure, only a minority of men are dangerous abusers. But as one widely circulated meme pointed out, is that really any reassurance? “Imagine a bowl of M&Ms. Ten per cent of them are poisoned. Go ahead.” It’s implied that the rational response would be to foreswear M&Ms entirely, and that by analogy, women ought to do the same with men."
Part of the rise of femosphere is the horrific way men treat women.

From the article:

...it doesn’t coddle women. Instead, it stresses “accountability and self-improvement” — usually in uncompromising terms. ...concepts like the “PickMe” (“a woman who degrades herself and her value for the fleeting attention of men”) and “Cockholm Syndrome” (“a woman who is so male identified she defends the worst men beyond all logic or reason”).
... a high-value man is defined as: “A man that is respectful, loyal and faithful. He loves to show his woman that he can provide — he pays for dates and a relatively higher proportion of expenses in the relationship.” ...
“The refusal to go 50-50 is probably the most controversial aspect of FDS philosophy,” ... it’s not so much about the amount. “When you look at the broader landscape, women are the ones who carry the child. They’re often paid less as well. If you consider the average pension pot for men and women, the gap is absolutely shocking.”
If all this strikes you as unromantic, that’s precisely the point. “I think that introducing romance into marriage was one of the biggest scams for women,” ... marriage is “a business transaction first ... Do the numbers make sense?”
... parts of the femosphere share some of feminism’s basic analysis, they’re also animated by a profound disillusionment with much of what contemporary feminism has to offer. ... liberal feminism is a con ... “Liberal feminism, they say, wants women to think that they can be like men, participating in the public sphere and being sexually active in the same way that men are. [But] there are costs for women that there aren’t for men.”

All of which just sounds perfectly true and old-fashioned common sense to me.

Not sure why it needs the label femosphere, but then these days every old idea needs a new media-friendly label.

Is the womanosphere and the femoshpere the same thing?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/24/womanosphere-conservative-women

Sounds like someone thinks they've invented second wave feminism. A mere half century late to the party.

Yes, we are because I was referring specifically to the quote in the OP "If you do manage to hook one into a relationship, don’t be surprised if you find yourself doing all the housework and tending to his emotions as well as his sexual desires — at least, until he decides to replace you with an even more compliant “bangmaid”.

But to the quotes you supplied, I assume the same should apply to men because there are also some dangerous women so, by extension, men should also theoretically want to avoid all women. Yet, manosphere is quite focused on the exact opposite. There are even some dangerous children who murdered their parents. But men and women go on to have children which is utterly irrational if we follow the same script. Or maybe humans are mostly capable of assessing risk.. who knows.
o echo the sentiment of OP, these distinct "sphere" groups seem to be at the same level of extreme thinking and actually do nothing to address real issues affecting either gender.

Sure, if we had black and white thinking, ignorant of statisitcs, youd be absolutely right.