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To not know if my marriage is over

22 replies

whatonearthdoidoz · 13/04/2026 18:45

How do people know if a marriage is over or is worth saving?

Been with husband whole adult life, two gorgeous boys together.

He's always had a problem with his temper. There were a couple of isolated incidents of violence many years ago (some pushing), each time I left him, he promised to change, and he has never laid a finger on me since, not the kids either.

But he still can have a horrible temper. He rubs up against our eldest child (9 years) a lot and on occasion will really lose it, screaming and yelling that he's stupid or horrible or whatever awful things are on his mind. Not often, but a few times. Once I thew him out and wouldn't let him back until he promised to get therapy after one yelling incident at the kids. He promised but then never did. But again a year or two would go by and he wouldn't lose control as badly and I'd think oh well things have calmed down.

The thing is he doesn't cope well with stress. But as we're getting older, our parents are getting older, there is inevitable stress about money and life and so his flare ups have happened more and more often. 9 times out of 10 it's at me, and will be screaming, ranting, swearing and often - which is the thing that really bothers me - in front of the kids. And often about really inconsequential things which also destabilizes me as I never know when he'll go off on one.

For a long time I'd talk to the kids about it after and say 'it's wrong to speak like that, and dad's sorry, but he was stressed' and try and give them space to talk if they were upset or worried and let them know loud doesn't mean dangerous... it can just be loud. Because I didn't want to pretend it hadn't happened. But more recently I look at them and think, whatever I say, they are learning this is how you treat people. And someday they'll yell at their own families.

Most of the time he's a great dad (does all the school runs, there for every school play, takes them swimming etc) but is it possible to be a great parent when you have these flare ups?

It happened this weekend and I just thought... I'm done with this. He'll never change. (Context: I was ill and had asked him to get up half an hour before me to do breakfast for the kids whilst the meds kicked in so I could take the kids to their morning sports games. Got back a few hours later and he was seething that he'd had to do EVERYTHING as he'd also taken the bins out and emptied the dishwasher in the 2 hours we were out).

But of course asking for a divorce is going to make him more angry than ever. I already told him I want one but now he's calmed down and apologized and expecting everything to be fine again as it usually is as I'm so busy with work and kids and it's so much easier to just paper over and keep going each time rather than nuke everything and have to start again.

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EsmeSusanOgg · 13/04/2026 18:47

How seriously has he looked into therapy? Has he looked up therapists and ever got close to booking something?

Sparkletastic · 13/04/2026 18:48

You know it is over.

Saltedcaramelicecream · 13/04/2026 18:50

My dad was like this and my mum made excuses for him but always stuck up for me and my sibling too. Then my brother became like him in our teenage years. They caused me stress and I have lived with anxiety my whole life.

They are still together, I love them both but I resent them secretly and now I am an adult I have an underlying issue with them both. My brother is a changed man but it permanently tarnished our relationship and we’ll never be close.

EsmeSusanOgg · 13/04/2026 18:51

Honestly, if you feel that this will keep happening and you do not think things will improve then that is plenty reason enough to seek a divorce. Are you avoiding discussing it because you are worried about his temper?

anonocakey · 13/04/2026 18:55

Jeez, get out before the kids are teens. That's REALLY stressful so God knows how he'll cope with that.

Mischance · 13/04/2026 18:55

Seriously, this is what your children are learning by example. You can tell them it's wrong and make excuses for him till you are blue in the face but they will learn what they see.
You must end this for their sakes, even if you think it is reasonable for you to tolerate it (which I do not agree with).

MyFunSloth · 13/04/2026 18:55

If you love him and he is otherwise a good man, have you considered giving him an ultimatum to try therapy? He clearly doesn’t want to do it, but if it helps him to change then it could solve your problems?

Purplecatshopaholic · 13/04/2026 18:56

OMG op, your poor kids. And poor you. Time to throw in the towel - seriously - this needs to be over before your kids are damaged even more than they already are.

Userengage · 13/04/2026 18:56

Your marriage is over, your children must be on tentahooks all the time, waiting for him to blow.
He’s ruining their childhood and it’s down to you to stop it.

Random321 · 13/04/2026 18:56

You can't amd especially your kids can't life like this.

He has had plenty of time to address his temper - counselling, anger management etcbut hasn't done so.

I would divorce him but get help from Women's Aid and the police if needed.

letmebetheone · 13/04/2026 19:00

If asked honestly would you say you have a happy marriage. If the answer is NO then don't waste any more of your life on this man

cyounexttuesday · 13/04/2026 19:00

I work with domestic abuse victim/survivors: what you're describing is abusive behaviour. Someone only needs to be physically violent once for it to show you what they re capable of, and from that moment on you end up changing your own behaviour to try to stop it ever happening again.
The shouting, swearing, unpredictable rage, and the way he directs it at you in front of the children will have an impact on your boys, even if he's "great" the rest of the time. Kids learn to walk on eggshells. They learn that love means managing someone else's temper. They learn that loud equals danger, even if you try to explain it away afterwards. None of that is your fault, but it is part of the pattern.
It's also really common for abusive partners to apologise afterwards and expect everything to go back to normal. That cycle, explosion, remorse, calm, tension building, is something you don't always see clearly when you're right in the middle of it.
If you can, try to look into The Freedom Programme or the Own My Life course.
They're designed to help women understand the cycle of abuse, the tactics, and the impact on you and your children. They can give you clarity and support while you figure out what you want to do next.

Clariana · 13/04/2026 19:05

My father was like this, my mum didn't leave him and gave up and died in her 80's, she just didn't want to live anymore, I never saw her happy.

My sister is an alcoholic and a hoarder who has had no life other than that, no husband, no children again no life and I believe this is due to our dreadful, anxious, constantly walking on eggshells childhood.

I am fine outwardly, but I have lived with a huge amount of stress and anxiety in my life. I hate my dad, and I always will.

Think about the damage he is causing to your family.

Endofyear · 13/04/2026 19:10

OP your kids aren't learning from what you're telling them - they are learning from observing their father's behaviour. They are watching you walk on eggshells and be subjected to verbal and emotional abuse. They are at times having this a use directed at them. I know this is hard to accept but this is what your children are growing up with.

I think you need to sit him down and tell him you're no longer willing to accept this behaviour. He needs to go to see his GP and ask for a referral for anger management counselling. If he won't, then you need to get you and your children away from him. You deserve to live in a peaceful calm home and so do your boys.

Snoken · 13/04/2026 19:32

You have two boys who are growing up in a toxic and abusive household and you are not stopping it. Their male role model is teaching them that aggressiveness is normal and fine. Their female role model is telling them that someone screaming at them isn't dangerous, in fact the person doing it loves them. How will they ever know how to show love? Because that isn't it. They have very little chance to grow up to be healthy well rounded individuals with healthy relationships as adults.

Daffodillz · 13/04/2026 19:35

Remember that he is setting an example for your boys... He's showing them how to be a man, father, partner... Is this the example you want them to mimic?

Bayou2000 · 13/04/2026 19:36

Get out before the kids are damaged more than they already are. Take it from someone who has been there. It doesn’t ever stop.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/04/2026 19:39

Protect your kids. End it.

Givemeachaitealatte · 13/04/2026 19:40

It won't get better, believe me, I lived it. He promised to get therapy, anger management etc. never did and just expected us to pretend like it never happened, until the next time. My ex couldn't and still can't deal with stress and at least me and th children don't have to live with it.

Sowhat1976 · 13/04/2026 19:55

He's abusing you and your kids. You are making excuses for him. He's stressed. Loud doesn't mean dangerous. FFS loud is scary. Loud makes the nervous system go into fight, flight, fawn, freeze. Your boys are learning how to be men from him. Is this who you wany them to emulate?

My H was shouting at me a lot. He also want pulling his weight. I put him out of the house for 2 months. In that time he's attended anger management and counselling. We are now doing marriage counselling. He knows if I have to ask him to leave again we are done. No ifs no buts.

You already given him an ultimatum. You aren't following through and his promises are just manipulation because he isn't following through either.

Pinkflamingo10 · 13/04/2026 21:00

He keeps doing it because he knows you’ll keep taking him back.
he is emotionally and verbally abusing you and your children. You need to protect yourself and them. Have you spoken to women’s aid ? Then can help support you and come up with a plan to leave/ divorce with you.

Hailstoness · 13/04/2026 21:13

Your poor children are being abused.
I so hope they tell another adult like a teacher about his abuse and SS get involved.

He has always been abusive and he is a shit father.
He is a house terrorist and you have unfortunately allowed him to abuse your children.

Have you really no idea how terrifying it is for children to be faced with someone like him?

Stop tolerating this.
Protect your children.
Reach out for support and get him out.
Tell family and friends the truth.

Yes, your marriage is long long over.

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