AIBU to think we are edging worryingly close to anarchy?

[Noras]

Am I unreasonable to believe that we are 2 or 3 steps away from anarchy?

Just that really. We see endless footage of quite aggressive and in the open. Shop lifting. People seem to have no shame eg driving over parkland or chucking rubbish out of car windows. Kids ran amok in Cornwall. People decide to live in caravans anywhere and just poo in parkland. Fly tipping is rife.
People freely wal: around the streets under the influence of drugs. People go to upmarket gyms with ankle tags and no sense of shame. People are more abusive and rude.

And roads weren't full of potholes. People behaved in public, i.e. queueing in shops, pubs, buses, etc rather than barging other people out of the way. Most people actually worked for a living rather than sponging off the taxpayer. Behaviour in schools was better. The police actually turned up if you phoned them to report a crime.

Ooh you almost had me until most people worked for a living, which is still the case today of course

I used to think this. But last year I watched stunned as an older employee in M&S underwear department in a major city cowered in fear behind the counter as a group of some 15 or so young teens ran amok screaming obscenities and throwing stock everywhere. She told me she was terrified of teens.

I saw a store manager later in the food department and spoke to him. He said the store was powerless. Even when the police bothered coming, they said it was pointless. The youths were under 25 in Scotland and therefore untouchable. All they did was remind the staff not to seek to catch or hinder ‘the kids’ in any way.

Not what I see at all. I teach high school, and I see teenagers becoming kinder and more switched on each year (there are of course those who have more behaviour issues and I will say parents are much harder to deal with now) but the teenagers I teach have so much more empathy than I did.

My personal opinion is that negatives are shared much more freely in social media these days so we have constant access to it.

Scotland really does seem to have implement policies over the years that have created an awful lot of social problems.

Chat gpt tells me khan has 24 hr 365 day per year tax payer funded security and farage has security as and when depending on the event. Sometimes tax funded, often funded by donors.

I commute into london twice a week and I work in East london. The commute in is generally fine, my main issues is that the tubes are often delayed or sometime not working but hey ho I can claim a refund on my ticket from
TFL, and work are generally understanding. Some parts of East london are a bit rougher esp at night but during the day is fine and have worked there for over 7 years without major issues now. Oh and I have been known to get my phone out to navigate around in East london and been fine am just careful in general.

Why are people with ankle tags going to upmarket gyms specifically and why is this offensive or anarchic? Sorry am a bit lost here….

600 of the 1,600 petrol(and diesel) stations in Ireland have run out of fuel @EvangelicalAboutButteredToast🙄☹️
For those in rural areas it’s really hitting hard.
So far the emergency services have enough fuel.

I love how it's all Starmer's fault, not the fourteen years of Tories previous to him. And let me guess, you're going to vote for Reform a party for failed Tory politicians to finish the job they started.

How the fuck is anything managing to carry on? How are people getting to work, kids to school etc? That stuff freaks me out more than paying a fortune per litre.

Reform mentioned again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to go to Tottenham recently with my primary aged child and I had two separate incidents of smartly dressed, elderly men coming up to me to warn me to be careful. One tried to help me with public transport and suggest I don’t hang around the bus stop I was at for too long. The other came up to me when it was starting to get dark to encourage me to get out the area and into the train as soon as I could. Luckily we were pretty close to the train sration but by the second warning my child was scared.

ive never had that happen before and can only assume we stuck out like a sore thumb.

Socialism always leads to this, they just got there very fast this time around. I don’t know what it is , but the UK seems to need a reminder every 20 years a so exactly what a Labour government actually does to us.

Ain’t that the truth 🤣

I've said this before, but I think mainstream classrooms are representative of what's going on in society, and teachers are required to adjust their expectations down rather than SLT actually deal with it. It's a bit like policing by consent. A lot of unsolicited social media posts about parents of poorly behaved young people has been showing up on my feed lately and it says a lot about where the issue is coming from.

I wholeheartedly agree. People in this country don't know they're living. They really need to see what true, abject poverty is. There are very few people in this country who are genuinely destitute. As the saying goes, hard times make strong people, good times make weak people. We are the weak people and products of the general societal stability post 1945.

So you think we should accept our descent back into a developing country because it will toughen us up a bit?

The poster who said that we have made advances in treating stab wounds - not sure if that was rhetorical but that is absolutely correct. They have made amazing medical advances, obviously, and that is one of them.

I'm surprised not to see more mention of the 2010s and how much better things were. But it looks like quite a few posters want to twist this into a strange political agenda, when it's actually just people's experiences of daily life.

I live in a nice place now. Not like super nice. Not like the quietville of gorgeousness that's been referenced. Where are those places by the way? Probably places that have no flats and places that I can't afford 😂

But yeah, most of us have seen a big difference from 2020 and it's getting worse. That's the bit that's thrown me. And I don't think it's financial. I predicted a rise in horribleness post 2020 but I didn't think it would carry on into 2026 and I didn't think that politicians and society would sort of encourage it.

at best, it's a sense of hopelessness and at worst, I think it's made more problematic by those who can do something and just keep telling us that nothing is wrong.

from the thing about ankle tags and gyms, I'm guessing that house arrest no longer means house arrest?

"Anarchy" is probably the wrong word, but I think there's a problem when so many people are nervous to go out in the evening in their area, or when shop staff are constantly fearing what will happen. That isn't normal - at least it wasn't in the 2010s.

Middle class and Daily Mail readers aren't two terms I would put together. I've never met a single middle class Daily Mail reader in my life.

OK?

What point are you making sorry? Might be easier to have an opinion if I know what the conversation is.

are you saying Khan should have security, Farage should have more? Help me out.

I think you brought it up. What point were you making at the time? Scroll back a bit.

sadly I agree . I saw a newborn today and rather than the joys of new life ahead I just felt totally
sorry for her . What state is this country going to be in 20 yrs down the line .

Nail on the head.