School as child care

[Differentforgirls]

From another thread.

A poster said that state schools are there for helping parents to work. Therefore teachers are childminders. Teachers!

I think schools are there to educate our children and, though the staff go above and beyond these days, that is their primary function.

AIBU?

i don’t mean you personally, I’m asking how you expect adults to manage, or indeed the market to create these jobs, if all parents of school aged children need a school hours only shit paid job

I happen to do that (well my DH and I do between is) but that's because I am privileged enough to earn enough for that to meet our outgoings and, more to the point, it happens to be my choice. But you are now arguing that childcare should only exist 6 hours a day. During school hours, funnily enough. Which slightly undermines your earlier point as well as making no real sense. I think you're talking bollocks for the sake of it.

Excellent point

It’s an interesting one. Personally, I feel slightly uneasy that DS’ school basically puts themselves in the position of almost co-parenting him. They seem to focus more on teaching things I feel is as his parents should be teaching and less on actually providing him with an education. Not enough to be frothing at the mouth over it or anything, it’s just so different to when I was at school when it was purely academic. They now teach them ‘emotional resilience’ and I feel like that’s our job as his parents.

I worked for 43 years, retired at 60. I never viewed teachers as baby sitters.

The government is alarmed at the falling birth rate. If they need us to provide them with more children they should at least have the decency to raise the children we deliver to them.
Haven’t we fulfilled our part bargain?
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How many jobs are available that facilitate this?

And this would knock out swathes of very important roles. Doctors, nurses, social workers, first responders, etc, etc

Were you a teacher? You seem very touchy about teachers being viewed as childcare. You seem to view childcare workers with about as much respect as shit on a shoe.

Well you could access a first responder but only before 3pm 15 mins from their child's school.

That’s for the adults to decide before having the children surely?

So what should you be doing? Because I haven't seen you make any useful suggestions or offer advice on this thread other than argue with others over the compulsory hours our kids are in school which lots of us choose to work in.

It's sort of like saying that doctors and nurses should only provide basic medical care and not ' look after' children while they are in hospital?!?? (Although I know in some places and some cases they will ask parents to come in)

They do. They decide to send their kids to school and use wraparound care if needed. Only you seem to think that's a bad choice.

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Er ok 🤨. If everyone did that, who would provide the wraparound care, lunchtime supervision in schools, breakfast Club, etc that everybody seems to need if we are all out working in full time, in term jobs?!

No I wasn’t a teacher. Your remark about child care workers was uncalled for. You off work today?

Schools exist to help children develop the knowledge, skills and qualities they need for a happy, healthy and successful adult life. Parenting has similar role, but with a different emphasis. So whereas I would expect a school to be focussing on imparting knowledge and intellectual skills, and cooperating with others, parents have more of a focus on teaching morals and behaviour, values, independence and promoting emotional security.

Exactly that is the difference. You see it in how parents interact with teachers. Nothing to do with working/non-working parents.

It’s you that seems to have the issue with teachers being viewed as childcare. Many nursery schools are staffed by qualified teachers. They don’t seem to have an issue with giving childcare and education. I can’t work out why you have such an issue.

So you do view education as child care 👍

the adults did decide. They use school and wrap around care to allow them to work full time. Decision made

Yes it’s childcare, and teaching, and socialisation and routine. Schools are a support structure for both children and parents. I don’t see why any of these things causes any pearl clutching? We all need schools - the kids, the adults. My son loves going to school - call it what you like - and yes, there is a massive amount of pastoral care going on in primary settings as a pose to “teaching” per se - because they’re little and need it. But how on earth do you think kids would learn to socialise with their peers if they didn’t attend a school setting? I don’t quite understand where you’re coming from with the irritated post - who cares if it’s childcare? It’s still fundamentally good for all.

It’s not my job to suggest how people manage their child care.

So how does division of tasks work then?
Children are in school without their parents but school is not responsible for them during that time?
How can parents still be responsible when they are not actually present?

So you used school for childcare? Most jobs have multiple roles and I think most parents see schools as somewhere their children learn AND are safely cared for.