School as child care

[Differentforgirls]

From another thread.

A poster said that state schools are there for helping parents to work. Therefore teachers are childminders. Teachers!

I think schools are there to educate our children and, though the staff go above and beyond these days, that is their primary function.

AIBU?

But someone else would effectively be raising your children for you.

Those were times when children left school before the age of 12 to start work and generate income for the family. If they broke the law, they could go to prison.

So in your opinion is it better for parents to work less and live in poverty?

No parents would still be raising them. They would just be being looked after someone else while their parents worked.

Both my parents worked when I was at primary school. I went to a childminder before and after school. I don't recall feeling neglected that on some days I was out the house 8-6. I don't recall feeling I was raised by someone else. And it can't have been that detrimental as I'm still very close to my parents now and speak to them every day.

Both my children attend nursery four days a week. Neither of them are in doubt who their main caregivers are.

Personal insults let you down, not me.

But it isn't an insult. You still haven't provided one coherent argument about who cares for children and looks after them during school hours if it isn't teachers.

I know I haven’t as that was never the premise of my post.

Tbh, most term time school hours (when paired with wrap around) closely replicate nursery hours. Most schools have a breakfast club provision that starts around 7.30/7.45 and after school provision that generally finishes around 5.30/6pm Monday - Friday term time.

Like nursery, you have to pay for the additional hours, free nursery hours is currently 30hrs term time only if a working parent and those hours are generally applied to the 9- 3 block of time with extra charge for a hot nursery lunch or a pack up brought from home.

Even using a nursery you are expected to pay for school holiday hours.

What is really needed is widespread holiday childcare provision that covers the "same hours as a private nursery" that caters for school age children and not just under 5s. So easily available and widespread holiday childcare that runs 7.30 - 5.30 or 7.30-6pm.

In my area and if parts of MN are any indication this is in severe shortage across parts of the country. This Easter for example there is 1 childcare provider with 20 spaces for the whole town (8 schools in our town - 2 are 2 form, all the rest 1 form) offering 8am - 5pm childcare, unless you booked this last year when booking opened you are not getting in. They email the information about their holiday clubs out in stages so siblings of current attendee's to their day nursery get the email first, then it's former students or their day nursery who are still on the mailing list. Then children who attend the school next to the day nursery (day nursery separate business but next door to the school), email is sent through school coms as "still places available for Easter/ may/ summer holidays at x holiday club. Then the final places (if there are even any) are put out on social media. Then there is 5 other holiday clubs running, they all run 9.30 or 10am - 1.30 or 2pm. They also only run 2 or 3 days a week and not both weeks. Places are offered to current attendee's of the class/ sport/ hobby first and then places advertised publicly, usually this means 4 or 5 places are advertised publicly and the rest are all filled by current attendees. So for example last week: gymnastics club ran Tuesday and Wednesday 10-2. They are not running any clubs this week. One dance studio ran a dance bootcamp Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday 9.30- 2, again they are not running this week. This week: The Gaming cafe is doing a gaming club this week Wednesday and Thursday 10.30 - 2. Football camp is on 11-2 Tuesday and Friday. The local family hub is running "childcare sessions" for those in receipt of certain benefits 9.30- 12 Tuesdays and Thursdays. That is it for Easter holidays round us childcare wise.

Well what was the premises?? Weren't you arguing that school wasn't childcare? And you're now saying that teachers now do look after children while they are in school?

What is it?

Premise. Not premises.

Right thank you for correcting my spelling mistake. I'm human surprisingly enough.

That doesn't answer my question though.

I know…

If you can't admit you were wrong, withdrawing from the thread would be more dignified than continuing with pointless comments. Let it go OP.

I see the op went over your head too. Never mind.

Honestly you're embarrassing yourself now. If the majority of the people on this thread have struggled to make sense of your posts or the point you're trying to make then the problem is clearly you. The fact you can't answer a question without somehow resorting to pointless comments and pointing out spelling mistakes proves this in spades.

Your mistake wasn’t a spelling error…

It didn't. It's very clear that you find childcare workers to be 'below' your degree educated son who is a teacher, therefore, take offence at people pointing out that school is a place for childcare as well as education. This thread had made it clear to you that primary school aged children require care and the welfare of children is paramount. You have no argument against this so have resorted to patronising comments about posters comprehension rather than accept that you were wrong.

As I said. Completely over your head.

Nobody has called them babysitters. Not one single person.
And there are a range of ways to qualify as a teacher including a three year UG degree, a one year PGCE and on the job training including apprenticeships. Pedantic of me I know but hey ho you seem to like that 😂

You’re the only one using personal insults.
Asking you questions or disagreeing with you isn’t a personal insult.

Please use your superior English skills to explain your argument to those of us with poor comprehension and grammar OP. As they say, if you can't explain a topic to a 5 year old you don't understand it yourself so surely you can manage to get your point across to adults.

I agree with you in some topics. Disagree with your unnecessary aggressive posts on this one. Take care.

Ok. So there are 11yos running round with no one providing any general care for them at your school? Again, please let me know if I’m wrong?

It is as if she has made up a theory that everyone thinks school is just for babysitting and she’s getting all defensive about it. When nobody has even said it! What a waste of energy.

And accusing posters of being mentally unwell. Just awful.