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Aprilmaymum · 27/03/2026 14:03

Will keep this short. Due back to work next month and had planned to use my usual childminder. Never any problems though she does have a habit on taking children at short notice so not sure on her numbers. Went round last week to discuss a few hours twice a week and she had approx 10 children there ( she has one assistant. ) she said she has a few more starting next month too. Didn’t think anything of it but talkIng to a school
mum she has got planning permission for only 10 children max. . I called her
last night to say I wasn’t aware she had planning for only 10 children( as On ofsted it says she can have 12.) she didn’t really answer my concern just it was fine as ofsted said she can have 12. Surely if planning have said only 10 that is the rule. I am worrying about her insurance now and thinking of pulling DS out. Anyone any knowledge if Ofsted rules are the rules they go by. ?

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johnd2 · 27/03/2026 17:36

GandTtwice · 27/03/2026 17:19

If she's in breach of planning conditions and someone reports her to the enforcement team then there's potential for her to be served with a stop notice and then she wouldn't be able to look after any children at all. If the number of children results in a nuisance to the neighbours with noise or parking problems then someone reporting her gets more likely

What's a stop notice? Some kind of injunction perhaps, whatever it is would have to come from court, but I doubt they would do that.

I would have thought they would start the enforcement process which would start with enquiries and then ask her to apply for formal permission which takes 8 weeks minimum. Everything in planning control takes an age!

GandTtwice · 27/03/2026 17:43

johnd2 · 27/03/2026 17:36

What's a stop notice? Some kind of injunction perhaps, whatever it is would have to come from court, but I doubt they would do that.

I would have thought they would start the enforcement process which would start with enquiries and then ask her to apply for formal permission which takes 8 weeks minimum. Everything in planning control takes an age!

Council's can serve a temporary stop notice themselves which can last up to 56 days - no court required. There's no right of appeal either you've just got to stop whatever the planning breach is.
They may ask the person to submit a formal application but stop them continuing while they decide it. Or they might then serve a more permanent stop notice if they decide not to approve any application. Again no courts required to do that.

johnd2 · 27/03/2026 17:49

GandTtwice · 27/03/2026 17:43

Council's can serve a temporary stop notice themselves which can last up to 56 days - no court required. There's no right of appeal either you've just got to stop whatever the planning breach is.
They may ask the person to submit a formal application but stop them continuing while they decide it. Or they might then serve a more permanent stop notice if they decide not to approve any application. Again no courts required to do that.

Did not know that, thanks for the info. There's been a couple of flats on our road raking it in for the landlord while the enforcement process drags on. Makes a mockery that they can drag it out, the council should be using that facility to stop the owner making all the profits

Aprilmaymum · 27/03/2026 19:34

Parsleyforme · 27/03/2026 17:03

What age is your child and what ages is she looking after? Presumably she has more older after school kids because it is 3 children under 5yo per adult

My DS is 2 and she does pick up children from school. To be honest I am suitable concerned. She previously looked after my 5 year old after school for two hours. She was really lovely but as I have said a someone who will just say no worries bring your child over so I guess I have always been a bit worried. Interesting to read other comments on contacting Ofsted and the council. As I am not going to use her I will just leave it but I did get the impression from the school mum that neighbours are not happy so it may get reported. Thank you

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Witsend2025 · 27/03/2026 22:20

I didnt realise childminders could have so many! The house a couple of doors from me has just been sold and I think a child minding business is being run - judging by the noise from my garden it's bedlam!

Bellabubble · 27/03/2026 23:05

I’m confused on her numbers - I looked into being a childminder (EY Teacher but been moved out of teaching Reception for my professional development - but I miss teaching Reception so much!!) and it is very clear in Development matters that thebmost you can childmind is 6 at any one time (so her having an assistant and 12 children works in that aspect - but obviously not if the space she has available is only for 10!) But of those 6, only 3 can be young children (5 and under) and there should only be 1 under 1. This can be stretched to 2 under one if for example there are twins and you can prove you can provide adequate care. Of her 12 - are they all 5 and under? Or are some of them wrap around care for before/after school?

Sensiblesal · 28/03/2026 00:38

NuffSaidSam · 27/03/2026 16:28

The ratio for pre-schoolers in a nursery is 1:8, so two people can look after 16 children.

Then you have all those posts with women saying they can’t look after their one child whilst hubby goes and does a hobby 😂😂

Aprilmaymum · 28/03/2026 07:54

Bellabubble · 27/03/2026 23:05

I’m confused on her numbers - I looked into being a childminder (EY Teacher but been moved out of teaching Reception for my professional development - but I miss teaching Reception so much!!) and it is very clear in Development matters that thebmost you can childmind is 6 at any one time (so her having an assistant and 12 children works in that aspect - but obviously not if the space she has available is only for 10!) But of those 6, only 3 can be young children (5 and under) and there should only be 1 under 1. This can be stretched to 2 under one if for example there are twins and you can prove you can provide adequate care. Of her 12 - are they all 5 and under? Or are some of them wrap around care for before/after school?

When I last used her I would say about 3 under 2 and the rest preschoolers and wrap around care. But when I visited last week she had two small babies and about 2 or possible 3 under twos. I have decided to look at a nursery and another childminder who only looks after a couple of children by herself. Thanks for response

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JoB1kenobi · 28/03/2026 14:08

Aprilmaymum · 27/03/2026 16:33

I do believe it is 12 at anyone time with Ofsted. But only 10 at any one time with planning. As I say I have used her in the past and she is lovely but is a bit lax with numbers and is happy to accept another child if the parent needs cover. I would have thought ofsted would update their site but not sure what takes precedence. My DS will be attending when there will be 12 children and my worry is they will not be covered. I think I will look elsewhere.

My childminder got done for this - it gave her lowest grade as it’s a safeguarding concern. Go with your gut but don’t take your mate’s word as gospel.

Aprilmaymum · 28/03/2026 14:25

JoB1kenobi · 28/03/2026 14:08

My childminder got done for this - it gave her lowest grade as it’s a safeguarding concern. Go with your gut but don’t take your mate’s word as gospel.

Yes. Have checked all the facts now and she is registered for 12 with ofsted. But only 10 with planning. So no idea if she told ofsted of plannings rule. Viewing another childminder on Tuesday.

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Aprilmaymum · 28/03/2026 15:21

GingersOwner26 · 27/03/2026 16:13

Is it possible the other mum has her wires crossed about the planning permission?

No I have looked online. Def says 10 children

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GlassBluebird · 29/03/2026 09:07

Bigearringsbigsmile · 27/03/2026 16:26

How on earth can 2 people look after 10 children properly?
Never mind planning or ofsted!

I suggest you never look at class sizes and staffing... 😬

JoB1kenobi · 29/03/2026 20:25

GlassBluebird · 29/03/2026 09:07

I suggest you never look at class sizes and staffing... 😬

I’d say that older children are a little better because you’re not changing nappies, hand feeding and the size of the room is adequate (although the amount coming through doors aged 5 and still not potty trained and can barely talk nor use knife and fork and it’s getting worse!)

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