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To think this is a real possibility in the future? (State pension)

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TheOtherBoleynSister · 25/03/2026 18:37

I am 34 and ever since I started working people have said don’t rely on there being a state pension. So I’m pretty pessimistic about it.

I honestly believe that for people under 40, the universal state pension (paid regardless of income or capital to those who have paid NI for a certain number of years) won’t exist. That there will be no qualifying ‘age’, and instead older people will be the same as the rest of the population when it comes to benefit eligibility ie. Have to be certified as too ill or physically unable to work, and get UC if income is low and savings are below £16k. In other words, being a certain age won’t entitle us to any benefit like it does now.

In this awful very bleak future, older people who can no longer work, who have savings/money above the threshold or private pensions, will need to rely solely on the money they have unless or until they get to the point where they now qualify for benefits.

Of course I don’t want this to happen, but with all the stories about the cost of pensions and the rising number of older people it feels inevitable. But the reality is many people’s private pensions won’t be nearly enough to last (but maybe they will be forced to spend them before any help), and there’s also talk in the press of some wanting to do away with ‘generous’ public sector pensions (which are not as generous as they used to be, albeit they are better than a lot of private schemes).

I am quite aware of pensions due to older relatives and friends who are of that age, but many people my age haven’t a clue about them or how they work. I do think we will be seeing a real disaster in less than 30 years, but people don’t care as it’s someone else’s/ tomorrow’s problem.

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dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:05

We need the right kind of immigration, i.e. skills shortage workers, highly paid workers, etc., the kind of people who will contribute to the UK

What would the NHS look like without immigrant workers? Are they the right kind or not?

ThisGreenExpert · 28/03/2026 09:06

I don’t think the state pension will go but I think the triple lock will. I think the triple lock is what is making the pension unsustainable as the state pension is growing at a faster rate than the economy.

I think it is much more likely that the add ons will go such as the winter fuel payment, attendance allowance, free bus passes and prescriptions.

or at least some of the above will become means tested like attendance allowance.

I worry about the older generation but my worry more lies with the affordability of the NHS and social care with an older generation that are living longer but not living healthier lives. The baby boomers are expected to live longer but are in poorer health than previous generations which is going to cause a huge amount of pressure in the NHS/social care.

Badbadbunny · 28/03/2026 09:08

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:05

We need the right kind of immigration, i.e. skills shortage workers, highly paid workers, etc., the kind of people who will contribute to the UK

What would the NHS look like without immigrant workers? Are they the right kind or not?

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If they're working in the NHS then they're "contributing to the UK" aren't they, doing jobs that otherwise wouldn't be done but need to be done?? I don't understand your point really.

If there are ANY essential jobs that we don't have people able and willing to do then of course it makes sense to encourage immigrants to do that work - it's how it's been for decades/centuries.

Stumblingalongthroughlife · 28/03/2026 09:14

They need to sort out student loan repayments then. It's pretty difficult to make repayments on your student loan, increase your work base pension contributions and save for a house deposit all at the same time (speaking as someone on a plan 1 loan, 19 years post graduation who's only just managed to buy their first house)

New0ay · 28/03/2026 09:15

Stumblingalongthroughlife · 28/03/2026 09:14

They need to sort out student loan repayments then. It's pretty difficult to make repayments on your student loan, increase your work base pension contributions and save for a house deposit all at the same time (speaking as someone on a plan 1 loan, 19 years post graduation who's only just managed to buy their first house)

This! Don’t forget childcare too.

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:16

ThisGreenExpert · 28/03/2026 09:06

I don’t think the state pension will go but I think the triple lock will. I think the triple lock is what is making the pension unsustainable as the state pension is growing at a faster rate than the economy.

I think it is much more likely that the add ons will go such as the winter fuel payment, attendance allowance, free bus passes and prescriptions.

or at least some of the above will become means tested like attendance allowance.

I worry about the older generation but my worry more lies with the affordability of the NHS and social care with an older generation that are living longer but not living healthier lives. The baby boomers are expected to live longer but are in poorer health than previous generations which is going to cause a huge amount of pressure in the NHS/social care.

The “add ons” cost virtually nothing. A free seat on a bus that’s running anyway being the most insignificant. Do you have any evidence that boomers are in poorer health than previous generations because my understanding is the opposite is true. There’s a far lower rate of smoking, people are more health conscious and more likely to eat well and exercise than in the past.

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:18

If they're working in the NHS then they're "contributing to the UK" aren't they, doing jobs that otherwise wouldn't be done but need to be done?? I don't understand your point really.

Even if they are financially not net contributors? I am just trying to work out what is the wrong kind of immigration

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:19

Do you have any evidence that boomers are in poorer health than previous generations because my understanding is the opposite is true

I have also read they are unhealthier. More chronic disease, but maybe because they live longer & there is more of them?

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:20

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:18

If they're working in the NHS then they're "contributing to the UK" aren't they, doing jobs that otherwise wouldn't be done but need to be done?? I don't understand your point really.

Even if they are financially not net contributors? I am just trying to work out what is the wrong kind of immigration

They’re contributing significantly regardless of how much tax they’re paying. It’s not all about money. I had a colonoscopy a few weeks ago, one member of the team was British born, the rest were all immigrants. The NHS would collapse without them.

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:20

“ Boomers are up to 1.5 times more likely to have cancer, diabetes, and lung diseases in their 50s and 60s compared to previous generations.”

healthy life expectancy hasn’t improved for years

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:22

@Blossomtoes I haven’t said otherwise but I frequently see talk of “net contributors” on these kinds of threads.

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:23

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/07/baby-boomers-living-longer-but-are-in-worse-health-than-previous-generations

This article dismisses my theory it’s due to living longer.

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:23

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:20

“ Boomers are up to 1.5 times more likely to have cancer, diabetes, and lung diseases in their 50s and 60s compared to previous generations.”

healthy life expectancy hasn’t improved for years

Where did those stats come from? Can I have a link, please?

TheOtherBoleynSister · 28/03/2026 09:27

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:20

“ Boomers are up to 1.5 times more likely to have cancer, diabetes, and lung diseases in their 50s and 60s compared to previous generations.”

healthy life expectancy hasn’t improved for years

If that is true, it’s probably due to cigarettes being popular and more affordable when they were younger. They are also the first generation to have junk food to be more affordable and accessible for most of their lives.

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dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:30

@TheOtherBoleynSister Tbh I thought it was well known that they weren’t particularly healthy. Drinking is still very common in older generations.

ThisGreenExpert · 28/03/2026 09:32

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:16

The “add ons” cost virtually nothing. A free seat on a bus that’s running anyway being the most insignificant. Do you have any evidence that boomers are in poorer health than previous generations because my understanding is the opposite is true. There’s a far lower rate of smoking, people are more health conscious and more likely to eat well and exercise than in the past.

Smoking might be less but obesity is higher, chronic illness and disability too.

“Our study finds concerning new evidence that more recently born generations are experiencing worsening health as they enter their later years," says health scientist Laura Gimeno, from UCL "We find that there is a 'generational health drift', whereby younger generations tend to have worse health than previous generations at the same age."

“baby boomers in the UK were almost one and half times more likely to experience difficulties performing three or more personal care tasks compared to their earlier born peers at the same age.”

https://cls.ucl.ac.uk/baby-boomers-living-longer-but-in-poorer-health-than-previous-generations/

https://academic.oup.com/psychsocgerontology/article/79/8/gbae113/7696399

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/baby-boomers-living-longer-poorer-health-previous-generations

It’s not just the baby boomers the younger generations may face similar problems but the baby boomer generation is just such a large generation of people.

Baby boomers living longer, but in poorer health than previous generations

Baby boomers – those born in the late 1940s and 50s – are more likely to experience multiple health problems in their later years than their older counterparts, finds a study led by UCL researchers.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/baby-boomers-living-longer-poorer-health-previous-generations

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:32

Thank you. Most of the decline appears to be linked to obesity so that will probably be a trend that continues down the generations. Anecdotal evidence among my peers is that we’re on the whole in much better health than our parents were at our age.

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:33

“So yes, young people are officially drinking less their elders. Health data from 2015suggests that 29 per cent of 16-24 year olds are now teetotal. Meanwhile, Baby Boomers in particular (those born between 1946 and 1964) are caning the booze, at alarming levels. I used to, myself.”

https://alcoholchange.org.uk/blog/why-are-baby-boomers-the-booziest-generation

This talks about conditioning which is definitely a thing.

Why are Baby Boomers ‘the booziest generation’? | Alcohol Change UK

Janey Lee Grace looks at why fifty- and sixty-somethings are more likely to drink heavily than younger people and what you can do to moderate your drinking.

https://alcoholchange.org.uk/blog/why-are-baby-boomers-the-booziest-generation

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:34

It’s not just the baby boomers the younger generations may face similar problems but the baby boomer generation is just such a large generation of people.

Yes, it’s the size of the cohort.

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:35

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:33

“So yes, young people are officially drinking less their elders. Health data from 2015suggests that 29 per cent of 16-24 year olds are now teetotal. Meanwhile, Baby Boomers in particular (those born between 1946 and 1964) are caning the booze, at alarming levels. I used to, myself.”

https://alcoholchange.org.uk/blog/why-are-baby-boomers-the-booziest-generation

This talks about conditioning which is definitely a thing.

It’s also an opinion piece with no evidence whatsoever.

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:36

Anecdotal evidence among my peers is that we’re on the whole in much better health than our parents were at our age.

But statistics are relevant. My older relatives have all outlived their parents but then they all have some kind of illness. Not one of them isn’t on some form of daily medication.

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:38

BIossomtoes · 28/03/2026 09:35

It’s also an opinion piece with no evidence whatsoever.

@blossomtoes you don’t think younger generations consume less alcohol?

dinbin · 28/03/2026 09:41

God forbid we recognise boomers aren’t particularly heathy. It’s not a criticism but this is why the debate becomes so divisive because it’s perceived as such.

Next we will be told they all walked hours to get to work & house prices were not any cheaper 😆.

EvolvingDoor · 28/03/2026 09:41

TheOtherBoleynSister · 25/03/2026 18:45

I can’t see it happening. I don’t think it would be good for society for either. What would all the people who can’t get a job do all day? Plus everyone would have less money so it would kill many industries.

Whether you think it would be good or what the wider social implications would be is irrelevant - it's going to happen.

Capitalism works by producers attempted to maximize income and minimize costs. AI has the potential - already being put into practice in some industries - to vastly reduce costs of production compared with employing humans. Companies the don't use it will simply go out of business, being outpriced by those that do. And then there simply won't be many jobs for people to do.

The whole future of work, pay, tax and state provision looks radically different to the present. This could mean a dystopia of extreme inequality or a utopia of generous time for leisure, volunteering, the arts etc, depending on how we approach the political and philosophical questions involved.

It's probably not going to be very meaningful to consider a question like whether there will be a state pension outside of this wider context.