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To think Labour is not the party of the working people.

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pinkpalmleaves · 24/03/2026 17:57

I voted for Labour as I believed their election pledge of being a party for the working people but genuinely I can’t think of one thing, since they’ve been in power, that they’ve done to help me (a single working mother on around £42k a year)! I get zero help from UC, these mystical breakfast clubs don’t exist, people aren’t employing people due to their ridiculous NI implications, they aren’t building affordable housing, energy prices are insanely high and all they talk about is grants (which won’t affect me as I live in a flat)! Genuinely I can’t think of one thing that they’ve done to help working people in the middle. Why are Labour sticking their heads in the sand? Why do they refuse to help the squeezed working class? They are stopping this economy from thriving - as
nobody can afford to spend anything extra (treats, holidays, meals out etc etc)!

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RichardTice · 25/03/2026 13:54

How do a few customs paperwork wreck entire economies?

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 13:55

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 13:52

You think what’s happening to the EU economically is due to Brexit?

It's a factor, just as it is in the poor performance of the UK economy.

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 13:56

RichardTice · 25/03/2026 13:54

How do a few customs paperwork wreck entire economies?

There you go, imagining things that no-one has ever said.

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 13:57

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 13:55

It's a factor, just as it is in the poor performance of the UK economy.

I think it’s more for us less for them. Germany for example is very much hit by the Ukraine Russia war and now Iran. On energy they feel it quite quickly.

GreenGrass555 · 25/03/2026 14:00

BIossomtoes · 24/03/2026 20:17

It is true. What’s your new definition of business? Merchant banking? Hedge fund managers?

What about Peter Kyle?

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 14:02

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 13:57

I think it’s more for us less for them. Germany for example is very much hit by the Ukraine Russia war and now Iran. On energy they feel it quite quickly.

Who is 'us'? I thought you lived in the US? Germany has an absolutely lunatic energy policy - apparently nuclear is too dangerous but digging up half of Saxony for the dirtiest coal imaginable (lignite) and buying gas from Putin is just dandy.

GreenGrass555 · 25/03/2026 14:03

Dragonflytamer · 25/03/2026 09:30

I think that is right. They see a Labour Government that has effectively declared them unemployable and want a better future.

What about this? Looks like a trial run taking place now, then will be rolled out across the whole country later in the year. Hopefully will help lots of young people:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/jobs-guarantee/jobs-guarantee-grant-guidance

pinkpalmleaves · 25/03/2026 14:05

@InWithPeaceOutWithStressyou obviously lead quite a comfortable life if none of their policies (or lack of) affect you. They have screwed small businesses, hospitality have offered zero help for energy bills apart from grants (which many can’t access), the only things they’ve bought in help those on UC! Breakfast clubs don’t exist! The savings on energy would happen anyway when it’s warmer! Their policies are shit, unless you’re on Iv and have more than two kids!!!! But apparently you’re only allowed to expect things if you’re on benefits!

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EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 14:07

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 14:02

Who is 'us'? I thought you lived in the US? Germany has an absolutely lunatic energy policy - apparently nuclear is too dangerous but digging up half of Saxony for the dirtiest coal imaginable (lignite) and buying gas from Putin is just dandy.

What where did you get that impression? Re the US

Dragonflytamer · 25/03/2026 14:09

GreenGrass555 · 25/03/2026 14:03

What about this? Looks like a trial run taking place now, then will be rolled out across the whole country later in the year. Hopefully will help lots of young people:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/jobs-guarantee/jobs-guarantee-grant-guidance

That is a bit of a classic through is it? Government fucks up strategy for minimum wages and national insurance for young people. Rather than say you fucked up create a new and complicated scheme to administer which effectively reverses your previous policy.

jackdunnock · 25/03/2026 14:12

I've voted yabu, because you were dumb enough to vote for labour and think this wouldn't be the case. It's what happens every time they get in. Preach from their ivory towers, whilst shafting the working class. The conservatives aren't any better, except they don't try to hide it the way that labour do.

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 14:15

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 14:07

What where did you get that impression? Re the US

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Ah, apologies, I think perhaps I was confusing you with RingoJuice.

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 14:20

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 14:15

Ah, apologies, I think perhaps I was confusing you with RingoJuice.

I see is that meant to be some sort of dig? I don’t even go on those Trump threads, I stick to Labour ones. It’s pretty obvious since you seem to follow my posts.

pinkpalmleaves · 25/03/2026 14:22

@jackdunnocksoz, not old enough to have been an adult when the previous Labour government was in power! But thanks for the compliment - dumb is what I aspire to be 💕💕

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GreenGrass555 · 25/03/2026 14:28

Dragonflytamer · 25/03/2026 14:09

That is a bit of a classic through is it? Government fucks up strategy for minimum wages and national insurance for young people. Rather than say you fucked up create a new and complicated scheme to administer which effectively reverses your previous policy.

I don't know, there's a level of targeted support in this that I think might be helpful for young people who've never really been in work, pre-employment training and so on... but the proof will be in the pudding I guess!

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 14:30

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 14:20

I see is that meant to be some sort of dig? I don’t even go on those Trump threads, I stick to Labour ones. It’s pretty obvious since you seem to follow my posts.

No, it was not meant to be a dig at all.

Tipsowner · 25/03/2026 14:31

As a relatively young pensioner, who saved for retirement from self-employment and the proceeds of DH's SME, I'd be happy to forgo the free bus pass and the free meds. DH would have continued to buy his annual pre-payment multi-prescription pass for £110. Well-off pensioners might grumble a bit, but would eventually accept that if you own your own home and have a personal plus state pension, then some restrictions on entitlements need imposing: perhaps via an age limit (the over-85s?) or available only with certain medical diagnoses/disabilities.

Withdrawing, then restoring the WFA was an own goal, but the ceiling should have been limited to around the equivalent of NMW. I am sure that the triple lock will have to go, but an average of inflation and wage increases would need to be retained because whatever MN thinks, there are a great many elderly people, most of them women, who get by on the state pension and maybe a few quid monthly pension from a PT job.

I would limit the scope of the NHS to remove fertility treatments and some elective procedures, including non-emergency caesareans. If you are too posh to push, pay privately. If the NHS pathway for elective care is very long, I think there should be a tax credit for anyone paying privately for e.g. cataracts or orthopaedic surgeries.

All children's medical care, including basic dentistry, should be free, but not orthodontics.

I would retain the two child cap, because all the stuff about children in poverty is based on a relative and arbitrary definition of poverty.

I'd like to see large parts of the civil service on a hiring freeze, but HMRC expanded.

But all this is just skirting around the issue of disability. What disabilities are sufficient to qualify for the higher levels of social support? The medical advances since the 1950s have been remarkable and we all welcome the progress but the future for premature babies has improved so much. My cousin's 23 week DD is now 30; apart from minor learning difficulties, she has a normal life. But we have all read about the (possibly apocryphal) individual's

whose school transport budget is £90k pa.

Should anxiety qualify a young person for benefits? What training should be provided for those unsuited to a mainstream academic education? These are questions for us all.

And housing? Prohibitively expensive in most of the southern UK or even anywhere there's decent employment prospects. Rather less of a mountain to climb elsewhere, but nurses, teachers, office, construction, engineering, retail and hospitality jobs are all over. Doctors, accountants and lawyers likewise.

But the government and its regulation of the economy has to be moderated in light of the size of the enterprises being regulated. It's ridiculous to expect a small company with one part-time admin person to follow the same rule book as Sainsbury's.

PandoraSocks · 25/03/2026 14:32

pinkpalmleaves · 25/03/2026 14:05

@InWithPeaceOutWithStressyou obviously lead quite a comfortable life if none of their policies (or lack of) affect you. They have screwed small businesses, hospitality have offered zero help for energy bills apart from grants (which many can’t access), the only things they’ve bought in help those on UC! Breakfast clubs don’t exist! The savings on energy would happen anyway when it’s warmer! Their policies are shit, unless you’re on Iv and have more than two kids!!!! But apparently you’re only allowed to expect things if you’re on benefits!

Their policies are shit, unless you’re on Iv and have more than two kids!!!!

On Iv? What is that, please?

dinbin · 25/03/2026 14:46

Wha a shame this thread has gone the way it is.

The way to do it is incentivise, particularly SMEs

So how & who would you incentivise? SMEs are not going to turn around years of low productivity

dinbin · 25/03/2026 14:49

If I’m honest I can’t rationalise it, it’s pure instinct. I guess for the reason I first stated and also because the cost of care in the home is a fraction of that in residential care

It does add up collectively though as the majority don’t go into care homes. I think it’s the only way of improving social care & the NHS.

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 14:51

dinbin · 25/03/2026 14:46

Wha a shame this thread has gone the way it is.

The way to do it is incentivise, particularly SMEs

So how & who would you incentivise? SMEs are not going to turn around years of low productivity

Why a shame? People are posting on politics.

And why can’t they be incentivised? You don’t do it by taxing them more. Even the last Labour leader thinks this current one has it wrong.

Dragonflytamer · 25/03/2026 14:52

dinbin · 25/03/2026 14:46

Wha a shame this thread has gone the way it is.

The way to do it is incentivise, particularly SMEs

So how & who would you incentivise? SMEs are not going to turn around years of low productivity

Allow £10,000 of dividends to be paid tax free for every new person employed in that business on a full time basis.

RichardTice · 25/03/2026 14:57

FernandoSor · 25/03/2026 13:56

There you go, imagining things that no-one has ever said.

That's what people are saying. Brexit wrecked the economy because of the customs checks.

dinbin · 25/03/2026 15:04

@EasternStandard have the deletions & MNs warning passed you by….I think missing posts & a deleted thread add little to a debate so another thing we disagree on!

I asked how not why?

EasternStandard · 25/03/2026 15:09

dinbin · 25/03/2026 15:04

@EasternStandard have the deletions & MNs warning passed you by….I think missing posts & a deleted thread add little to a debate so another thing we disagree on!

I asked how not why?

No I saw the posts before they went, the thread still stands and is fine so yes we disagree.

There’s various ways to use money and taxes, @Dragonflytamerhas offered a good one for you if you require a specific example. It’s not hard, people respond well to incentives and also reduce in response to higher taxes.

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