To think Pakistan needs to do more to comply with the uk regarding grooming gang members

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2180211/grooming-gang-monster-nicknamed-killer?intsource=ampcontinuereading&intmedium=amp&intcampaign=continuereadingbutton#amp-readmore-target

There needs to be a new agreement between the uk and Pakistan where it states clearly that grooming gang members who flee to Pakistan should be detained and punished there. Or where Pakistan at least assists the UK in criminal proceedings and takes back Pakistani born criminals. Or if not they would face penalties e.g further issuance of visas. Pakistani authorities should be doing more to stamp out this crime

NB; before anyone asks, no I don’t think British born Pakistanis should be revoked of their uk citizenship. But they must be repatriated to the UK.

AIBU?

Interesting, someone thinks I’m being unreasonable - why is that?

I haven't voted yet but my finger is hovering over the yabu because how the duck is this going to work? It sounds like one of those ideas that look simple but obviously aren't like the stuff off Facebook.

It’s not simple but with enough political and financial pressure on the Pakistani government it can be done. The same way the UK can pressure Pakistan into handing over child killers, they can do the same for child rapists.

I'm not an expert so I'll reserve judgement and let those more knowledgeable than me wade in to tell you why this is unworkable.
I don't mean to 💩 over the idea, it's just when someone suggests why don't we just... it's usually never ever as simple as it looks, because it's a political hand grenade.

Or if Pakistan refuse then the UK can pass a piece of legislation where if you are wanted or convicted of a serious crime and you immigrated here and you flee the country, you can’t return and are barred from the country. That would be more practical because then they won’t be constantly running away from justice and if they’re daft enough to they won’t be coming back in

I think it would have to be an extradition treaty. Does any country prosecute crimes committed overseas? They extradite, don’t they?

Deporting convicted criminals (“takes back……”) seems counterintuitive in that case: send them back to U.K., we get the expense of remand and a trial, then we’ll return them to you.

I do understand your underlying motivation, it just seems unworkable.

An extradition treaty is exactly what I mean

You really expect Pakistan to be reasonable?

How is this different than current extradition rules and regulations?

Pakistan prisoner transfer treaty apparently exists. Ben Habib is a British-Pakistani he discusses it on this link. He says the British government have never invoked it. I am pretty sure he contacted the Pakistani gov about it too (last year) if I find his post about I will link it.

I agree every one should be deported as should anyone who covered up these horrendous crimes. The rape gangs affected so many young people and the cover up is disgusting. The fact that British people had to privately fund an inquiry into the rape of children is a national disgrace and the details are so upsetting.

https://x.com/AdvanceUK/status/2031718876119970212?s=20

European countries are stripping citizenship.

If I lived to Spain and mugged someone I’d expect to be arrested, imprisoned, deported back to the U.K. and have my passport marked so I can never return. If I had been lucky enough to have been granted a Spanish passport of course they should take it from me - I chose to commit a crime and make their citizens unsafe. Id expect to have it taken from me.

• Belgium have just Expanded grounds for stripping citizenship: Dual nationals convicted of serious crimes such as terrorism, organized crime, homicide, aggravated sexual offenses, and certain forms of traffickingmay now face revocation of Belgian nationality if sentenced to at least five years in prison without parole.

I think Belgium are too lax here - I’d expect to be deported for any deliberate act that involves another human being or animal. Mugging, robbery, assault, animal cruelty etc even if I got a slap on the wrist.

https://www.newsweekpakistan.com/u-k-home-secretary-confirms-extradition-treaty-with-pakistan/

here is more detail.

My question is why don’t we use it?

https://x.com/benhabib6/status/1936035453653643357?s=20

This is the link, he also made a longer video on it which is in the comments section of the link.

Its really worth reading his comments on this link - he says he contacted Pakistani officials himself and it’s our officials not contacting them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BHLkZZxGocw&feature=youtu.be

His Interview with a Pakistani man (Dost Ali Baloch) who has held senior positions in law enforcement and intelligence services in Pakistan for 39 years.

Exported though doesn’t mean that they would be punished once in their own countries. Especially countries that think less of women in the first place.

I agree and YANBU. If Pakistan chooses not to punish those they have to take back, that’s on them and tells you everything you need to know.

I’d rather the sick perpetrators are removed from this country regardless, the sooner the better. Might not be justice served, but I wouldn’t want to fund a UK prison lifestyle for these scum.

Complete ban from the UK for life and the same goes for their families, including those who turn a blind eye to it all.

its very sad that after all these years they’ve roamed our streets, the government (party agnostic) won’t put their head above the parapet and take a moral stand of the shit these poor girls are subjected to.

If you watch the YouTube video the man says Pakistan would take it seriously. Ofc that may not be true but we should imprison them here, seize all assets for the child victims, deport immediately on release.

However we (UK) are not punishing all the men who raped children here, we are not deporting them, we are not even arresting/prosecuting teachers, social workers, councillors, MPs, police who covered up these crimes.

I hope the private inquiry manages to bring private prosecutions (which is what Lowe has said will happen).

We are known globally as being a country who allows men to rape our kids and then officials will cover it up for them. We don’t take rape or child abuse seriously.

In England and Wales, the rate of rape convictions remains extremely low despite rising reports. In 2021–2022, only 1,378 out of 70,330 reported rapesresulted in a conviction, equating to a conviction rate of less than 2%..

With those stats we are surely likely to become a tourist destination for rapists. Men used to join the church and devote their life to God to commit sex crimes. We know rapists go to huge lengths to abuse kids. Now they just need to come to the U.K. and they have a 98% of getting away with rape IF they are even reported. Plus you don’t even get deported. After 5 years you’ll be eligible to apply for citizenship and we clearly dont deport rapists or strip them of citizenship. It’s a joke.

So many people want this matter to disappear, rapists, rapists families, police, school teachers, councillors, counsellors, MPs, police, social workers etc etc. So many people must have known about it. Thousands of men and women must have helped cover this up. So many people did nothing. Whenever I see someone defending the men or putting up barriers to an inquiry I now wonder if they are in a role which may be scrutinised. Who wouldn’t want justice for raped children.

I still cannot believe the UK had to crowdfund an inquiry into the mass gang rapes of children.

Crowdfunders used to be for play ground equipment or operations abroad. Now it’s for gang rape victims. It is disgusting.

If you are reading this and didn’t know Pakistan would look to take criminals back please consider writing to your MP and ask for deportations.

Please look into the crowd funder and tell people about it so these children get some justice.

There are court transcriots on line where you can read what happened to these children. Again I believe these are also crowdfunded!

https://www.openjusticeuk.org/

The more of us who do this and tell others about it, the more likely these children will get the justice they deserve.

I thought there was already an agreement that Pakistan would take back convicted criminals, but the UK won't enforce it, because the UK doesn't like the state of Pakistan prisons.