Regarding photos in public places

[WallyHilloughby]

Yes we know it’s legal but does anyone else think it’s pretty concerning that someone who has had to relocate due to severe domestic abuse may have to limit their movements therefore their life as many establishments/ businesses will take photos /videos of them without their consent therefore endangering the safety of them/their kids?

I’ve never had a business take a photo or video of me without my consent.

CCTV operates practically everywhere now. I can’t see how it would be dangerous though.

What videos or pictures are you referring to? I genuinely cannot think of an example where they'd be posted so widely they'd endanger someone?

er, no.

cctv and security videos are not usually posted on YouTube

So for example- lots of pages I follow of events woll
live stream these and put them straight onto their pages- if an abusive ex partner sees this they can then go to where their partner is. They may have been placed in a safe house to escape abuse . The only solution I can think of is the abused woman doesn’t go out. It really does suck

I have never heard of that! What kind of events?

Doesn't go out is an overreaction... your example is very specific to an event. Which isn't an ordinary day to day thing.

I've been to venues and pubs where they video and post the audience/dance floor, so I know what you mean. No warning or asking for consent. No safety issues for me but I did feel uncomfortable with it from privacy point of view.

various events- I can see that people answering have absolutely zero concept of how this could be unsafe for mainly women thought

CCTV isn’t what I would call “taking photos” though. It’s not publicly available either.

And there is often no warning this will happen…so people can’t even choose whether it’s safe to attend or not

It’s more that what you’re suggesting isn’t reasonable. If a business is live streaming an event they will have a base watching, it’s not reasonable to restrict it for something so incredibly rare and unlikely.

If it’s a concern, then they should just not go to ‘events’. Doesn’t mean they can’t go out at all, for a coffee, dinner or a quiet drink.

But how/why would the perpetrators be watching at exactly the right time? Unless they already knew where they were going?

I understand for eg school or work based photos on websites as that would give away every day locations but a random bar in London showing you are there one weekend means nothing in terms of tracking you down?

A cousin was in a mass sporting event at the weekend. It was live streamed, loads of photos taken etc and despite looking very carefully I haven't been able to spot them!

Well, they have the option of not attending events that livestream audiences?

I have a friend who was relocated by the police due to domestic abuse. She didn't go to these types of events or places that would potentially be taking photos. She didn't never go out but restricted where she did go

i appreciate this feels very vulnerable and scary but this would require that the abuser knows where you moved, knows where you likely hang out, knows there's going to be a live stream, decides to watch that live stream, gets a clear enough image of you to be sure it's you, then.... hangs out in that place until they bump into you?

I know abusers are awful people and go to extreme lengths. I know that abuse can leave a real, lasting, horrible legacy on the victim. But realistically, this seems highly improbable to result in you being found.

But I know that won't make you feel any more comfortable in your day to day and I'm sorry about that. I also feel uncomfortable with the amount of CCTV and photos in public now. Yes, it's legal, but also the context is so different now to when that was decided. I don't think it was envisaged that every single door I walked past on my street would be recording me. The every shop would be recording me inside and out. That there would be number plate recognition cameras in most cities.

I have never been to an ‘event’ where this has happened. It feels like you are really catastrophising-what sort of events are you referring to? Can you give some examples?

I would imagine it would be incredibly easy to go out as normal and live your life, avoiding such ‘events’ and then there is no issue. There is absolutely no reason to never go out.

Op I agree. We should all be given the option to opt out of those things if we want to. The idea that when you’re in public space you can no longer be a private person is very troubling.

CCTV and security cameras footage is not readily accessible. I’m not photographed in my daily movements (unless a random person chooses to but I can’t see why they would) ime public events such as a business launch or a racing event/ football match (non televised) ask if they can photograph. If it’s a televised event then yes you need to accept you may need up on screen. The biggest risk of ending up on sm is attending a wedding/ party as everyone will be photographing and uploading.
I get your point it’s significantly harder to disappear than it was 50 years ago. I guess all you can do is protect yourself. Ask close friends/family not to put you on sm. Don’t have sm yourself. Avoid big televised events.
it must be awful having to think that way and restrict your life because of someone else’s behaviour

We've had these https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1CsRopYowg/ balaclavaed dickheads hanging around our local towns and villages antagonising people by filming them and posting to social media.

Their whole thing is that it's legal to film in public and they can post what they like. But it's very invasive and disconcerting. Unfortunately they're not doing anything "wrong" apparently.

No, we fully understand, you just should have given the full story on the OP so we didn't have to ask so many questions 🙄

Unfortunately the world cannot stop because of limited safety issues. Personally I wouldn't go to events that are potentially going to.be live streamed, or I would leave if that was the case when I got there (same applies for venues that might take pictures for social media etc). I don't have any safeguarding issues, but I just don't like online presence I'm not in control of. But I accept that the world we live in is very digital and adjustments need to be made for my comfort (similar to adjustments that abuse victims will ultimately need to make unfortunately).

There is a woman from my home town ( market town , population around 9,000 ) who records what looks like it most of her trips out .
Walk down the High St , record it , take a trip on the bus to the next town , record it .
Walk in the local park , record it
All the people out and about are all there to see and she posts them to all the local sm sites as well as YouTube .
I'd hate to see myself on one of them and think she will one day find out lots of others feel the same . I see it as an intrusion on privacy .

I do understand how this could be dangerous for someone not wishing to be found but it is extremely unlikely to actually happen.
Not going out anywhere if a bit much.
Avoiding certain types of events that may wan this kind of online exposure is fair enough. Events should tell audiences if they’re live streaming or recording I think. So people can make a choice.
Its no different to going to a football match that’s on the telly though.

I think I know what you are talking about. I regularly go to gigs at small venues and comedy clubs. Local festivals during the summer. If you are at that kind of event and unfortunate enough to be included in other people's photos or videos that are then put on social media, I think you are right someone you know might spot you in the background.

But I think it's very unlikely that they would spot you by chance. They would have to be trawling the net to find you. That would take forever unless they know the area you live in and the sort of places you go to. But if they had that information they could just as easily turn up at those places on the off chance you might be there.