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John Davidson shouting the N word during the BAFTAS

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Crawse · 23/02/2026 10:02

John Davidson has Tourettes and is a campaigner for the condition. Whist Michale B Jordan and Delroy Lindo were presenting he shouted out the racial slur. It’s extremely uncomfortable to watch. I feel terrible for the two presenters. I’m really conflicted on this one.

What are your thoughts?

No one should be subjected to abuse. That is my bottom line. Maybe the fact I was called P*** (I’m half Indian) growing up has influenced my views. I obviously recognise Tourette’s is involuntary.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/22/entertainment/baftas-2026-tourettes-racist-slur

British acting awards interrupted by racist slur from man with Tourette Syndrome | CNN

At Sunday night’s BAFTA ceremony in London, a man yelled a racist slur as two of the world’s most celebrated Black actors, Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo, presented an award on stage.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/22/entertainment/baftas-2026-tourettes-racist-slur

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nomas · 23/02/2026 16:22

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 23/02/2026 16:15

No hierarchy, then go on to explain that there is indeed, a hierarchy, and it doesn’t include white people.

So which slur against white people is used as much as the n word and p word?

It's not about a hierarchy, those are the two most common racial slurs I've heard. One is not worse than the other.

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:24

SpaceRaccoon · 23/02/2026 16:13

That's where you're misunderstanding it - no-one is saying that black people, specifically, have to "deal with it".
People are saying that this is an involuntary tic, and anyone at the receiving end should understand that.
John didn't do it on purpose, he can't help it and he didn't mean it, any more than someone having a seizure would be to blame if they spilled your drink when falling over.
That should be the end of it, but far too much outrage mileage to be had I guess - just horrible that it's at the expense of a disabled man, and not someone with the money and influence of most of the celebrities there, either.

No one is blaming John, but there are people on this thread who have a sort of gleeful 'deal with it' attitude about them. I think those people do need to do some introspection.

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:25

loislovesstewie · 23/02/2026 16:15

When I was young the contemptuous term for a white person was 'honky'. I've not heard the term for some while but it was in common usage in the 1970s.

I hadn't even heard of that term.

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 16:29

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:22

So which slur against white people is used as much as the n word and p word?

It's not about a hierarchy, those are the two most common racial slurs I've heard. One is not worse than the other.

Edited

And someone with tourettes is not using any of them intentionally.

Glad we've got that sorted.

foundmykey · 23/02/2026 16:39

Terriblywealthycousin · 23/02/2026 15:28

Yeah I wonder what the reaction would be here if he was black man with Tourettes shouting bitch, whore, slut at a white female actress.

Edited to add - whilst pointing out she is white!

Funny thing these protected characteristics. One does not trump another.

Edited

I'd say that no one gets to tell the actress how to feel having been on the receiving end of misogynistic comments. I'd also say that the intent of the man does not negate impact to the woman.

Pointing out that someone is white or black is not a slur whereas saying n*er is.

MeinKraft · 23/02/2026 16:42

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:08

There is no hierarchy but two of the most common racist slurs in the UK are the n word and P word, as shown by the frequency with which Tommy Robinson and Reform supporters use them.

What is an equivalent word for white people? There just isn’t one.

So of course hearing the N word at an event watched globally is going to raise questions.

And the blasé response from many on this thread, that black people just need to deal with it, needs calling out.

So what would you like to happen? Would you like him to be fined? For people with Tourette’s to be banned from awards ceremonies from now on?

LeopardSnow · 23/02/2026 16:43

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:22

So which slur against white people is used as much as the n word and p word?

It's not about a hierarchy, those are the two most common racial slurs I've heard. One is not worse than the other.

Edited

I was kinda curious so looked this up. We obviously can’t objectively assess the prevalence of what people say in person but I found two studies looking at slurs / derogatory language used online.

One looks at 4Chan one at Twitter. 4Chan one doesn’t break the racist language down into slurs / groups but notes on religiously discriminatory language the main targets are Muslims and Jews. The Twitter one says the main used slurs were “whiteboy” “p*ki” and “pikey” but that without context it was very hard to understand what percentage of these slurs were being used negatively or by people reclaiming words or talking about their own communities. Context is key.

https://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/about-us/news/disturbing-findings-in-new-study-reveal-unregulated-internet-platforms-are-a-breeding-ground-for-racism-misogyny-and-religious-hate/

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/10-000-racist-slurs-posted-on-twitter-each-day-study-finds-9127754.html

10,000 racist slurs posted on Twitter each day, study finds

Twitter trolls: Isabella Sorley and John Nimmo pleaded guilty to sending menacing tweets on 7 January and were jailed 24 January

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/10-000-racist-slurs-posted-on-twitter-each-day-study-finds-9127754.html

Tryagain26 · 23/02/2026 16:43

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:22

So which slur against white people is used as much as the n word and p word?

It's not about a hierarchy, those are the two most common racial slurs I've heard. One is not worse than the other.

Edited

There are plenty of offensive words used against disabled people, I won't write them here. And John could have just as easily said them if a disabled person was on the stage, similarly there are offensive words for women, overweight people, short people, etc etc and any of those words could have been called out
They are all deeply offensive just as racist slurs are.
But the difference is intent. John did not consciously say those words
If you think someone with Tourettes should remove themselves if someone of colour is in earshot just in case he says something offensive should he also remove himself from disabled people, women, all people? Should he be locked away so noone heard him or isn't defended by him?

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:46

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 16:29

And someone with tourettes is not using any of them intentionally.

Glad we've got that sorted.

I think you’re one of the gleeful people I talked about.

Otherwise why would you keep telling saying it’s not intentional to people who know that? You get off on it.

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 16:48

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:46

I think you’re one of the gleeful people I talked about.

Otherwise why would you keep telling saying it’s not intentional to people who know that? You get off on it.

I keep saying it because it's patently fucking obvious you don't get the point, and as someone who is very close to a disabled person who suffers the kind of "just don't go outside" bigotry you are displaying, I feel the need to attempt to correct you.

And I've not once said that targets of abuse should "get over it". In fact, I think you will find I said the exact opposite of that.

loislovesstewie · 23/02/2026 16:49

LeopardSnow · 23/02/2026 16:43

I was kinda curious so looked this up. We obviously can’t objectively assess the prevalence of what people say in person but I found two studies looking at slurs / derogatory language used online.

One looks at 4Chan one at Twitter. 4Chan one doesn’t break the racist language down into slurs / groups but notes on religiously discriminatory language the main targets are Muslims and Jews. The Twitter one says the main used slurs were “whiteboy” “p*ki” and “pikey” but that without context it was very hard to understand what percentage of these slurs were being used negatively or by people reclaiming words or talking about their own communities. Context is key.

https://www.royalholloway.ac.uk/about-us/news/disturbing-findings-in-new-study-reveal-unregulated-internet-platforms-are-a-breeding-ground-for-racism-misogyny-and-religious-hate/

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/10-000-racist-slurs-posted-on-twitter-each-day-study-finds-9127754.html

Pikey is exclusively used against gypsies, travellers or Romanies. It's not an offensive term used against white people.

Flamingojune · 23/02/2026 16:49

Im surprised there were no slurs against women

wingsandstrings · 23/02/2026 16:53

Simonjt · 23/02/2026 10:08

He didn’t shout a racial slur, he had a tick.

Yes, he had a tic and it was involuntary. But it is a racial slur whether he meant to say it or not. If his tic involved hitting people on the head and he hit the person next to him on the head you wouldn't say 'you weren't assaulted, it was a tic' . . . both are true, someone was assaulted and someone had a tic and cannot be held responsible. If a survivor of sexual violence was stood on stage and someone shouted a rape threat as a tic i imagine it would affect them terribly in terms of a somatic response even if they knew it was a tic. I think we need not tell two black men that having the 'n' word shouted 'isn't a racial slur' whilst understanding that the person who shouted it had no ill intent and no control over saying it.

LeopardSnow · 23/02/2026 16:54

Tryagain26 · 23/02/2026 16:43

There are plenty of offensive words used against disabled people, I won't write them here. And John could have just as easily said them if a disabled person was on the stage, similarly there are offensive words for women, overweight people, short people, etc etc and any of those words could have been called out
They are all deeply offensive just as racist slurs are.
But the difference is intent. John did not consciously say those words
If you think someone with Tourettes should remove themselves if someone of colour is in earshot just in case he says something offensive should he also remove himself from disabled people, women, all people? Should he be locked away so noone heard him or isn't defended by him?

These conversations did happen openly and shamelessly about disabled people very very recently. My mum (a teacher) taught many many kids with cerebral palsy, epilepsy, facial differences, learning disabilities etc. over the years in a mainstream school with an inclusive ethos and remembers it being very common for parents of “normal” kids to ask the teachers if the disabled kids could be removed or taken away or concealed somehow, because their presence or faces or ways of speaking might scare the other kids, or make them uncomfortable or make them ask difficult questions.

It was also totally common for many teachers to do this and leave those kid out of the school play, not be in pictures, shame them, make them sit separately, not challenge awful slurs, exclude them, punish them, expel them, institutionalise them, abuse them

John was probably one of those kids.

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:54

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 16:48

I keep saying it because it's patently fucking obvious you don't get the point, and as someone who is very close to a disabled person who suffers the kind of "just don't go outside" bigotry you are displaying, I feel the need to attempt to correct you.

And I've not once said that targets of abuse should "get over it". In fact, I think you will find I said the exact opposite of that.

Edited

I am close to disabled people who don’t leave the house for fear of judgement but I don’t have the luxury of only seeing one point of view as you seem to do.

If you’re going to swear at me, don’t bother posting to me again and expecting a response, I am not your whipping boy,

mumofoneAloneandwell · 23/02/2026 16:55

found you, but hftft yet

what would happen if this man’s ticks were: grabbing women’s breasts?? would people be told to accept it? 🥺

LeopardSnow · 23/02/2026 16:55

loislovesstewie · 23/02/2026 16:49

Pikey is exclusively used against gypsies, travellers or Romanies. It's not an offensive term used against white people.

I didn’t say it was, I just quoted the study

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:56

I think we need not tell two black men that having the 'n' word shouted 'isn't a racial slur' whilst understanding that the person who shouted it had no ill intent and no control over saying it.

This with bells on @wingsandstrings

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 16:57

Forgetnotyet · 23/02/2026 16:01

I bet my house you’d have something to say if he’d screamed “spastic” at a presenter with physical disabilities or “suck my cock” at a female one.

Why would you think that, it's the same basic issue?

People always make this claim, that it would be different for another word, with great confidence. My conclusion is that they are incapable of understanding that many people don't take things like this personally because they themselves take everything personally.

I wouldn't take any more "offence" or notice or care about anything that someone with a condition like this might say directed toward me. I am not foolish enough to imagine that he wouldn't see me for what I am, or that he would know lots of rude terms that could be used - after all, I know those terms as well. Having words I know said out loud, no matter how outwardly rude they are, makes zero difference to me if the individual isn't using them intentionally. Whether that is because the person is a child, insane, has a condition like tourettes, or is a language learner that has his wires crossed.

foundmykey · 23/02/2026 16:57

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 16:03

This thread is disgusting

That poor man can't help that he shouted out something inappropriate

That's how his condition works.

My friend's brother called a vicar a "kiddie fiddler" because it was the most inappropriate thing to say

BBC had to edit out "Free Palestine" because they are supposed to be politically neutral but they left this in because it highlighted the issues John faces. It is neither the BBC not John's fault that racists have made him a meme. That's on them entirely and you're wrong to imply anything else

It is not ok to highlight John's issues over and above the harm the word causes to black people! The BBC choosing to highlight John's issues at the expense of the black people in that room is disgusting and racist.

Ask any black person how many people they know who have heard this word before, during or after a physical attack. Intent does not negate impact.

John had a right to be there imo. However, no one has the right to tell people how to feel about the impact of his words regardless of his intent.

A vicar can be a man or woman of any race and "kiddie fiddler" is applied to the vocation not the person. It is not the same.

LadyTable · 23/02/2026 16:58

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 23/02/2026 15:28

Frankly it doesn't matter whether you're black, brown, a woman, a man, use a wheelchair, use a walking stick, have a bald head, have one leg shorter than the other, have big boobs, have small boobs, have missing teeth, have a lazy eye, whatever, if you are offended by a ticking disability that the person can't control, and means no harm, then you just have to get a grip and accept that they deserve to be present in the world where everybody else is present, or remove yourself from the situation.

You can't control other people's actions, and with ticking disabilities, the person having the ticks also can't control them, but you can control your own actions and you can leave. Being black in this scenario isn't special, no matter how offensive you find it.

People with disabilities don't owe you their absence in favour of your comfort.

People with disabilities don't owe you their absence in favour of your comfort.

Well said.

And something that Nomas and some other people should note but obviously will not.

Superkitty2025 · 23/02/2026 16:58

@AntiqueBabyLoanSmurf

Do you know about intrusive thoughts, such as many people with OCD experience? I imagine it wasn't a coincidence that he shouted that out when two black actors were on stage as it is the most controversial thing that he could have said. With intrusive thoughts you are so filled with anxiety about not saying the worst thing thay you could possibly say, that's it's all you can think about! Try saying to yourself "don't think of a pink elephant" and you will soon see that it is incredibly difficult NOT to think of it.

Now, I don't know whether having tourette's is similar to this in that the intrusive thought is projected outwards or not. I'm sure it's more complicated neurologicallyand may have nothing to do with intrusive thoughts. But, my point is, there are conditions where high levels of anxiety, for example, can produce the worst possible thoughts, things that you sre most scared of thinking. And, actually, it speaks to your true moral character as the condition forces you to think about the worst possible thing you could ever imagine. That is why the thought is intrusive, because it is so abhorrent and awful for you to think about. If it wasn't the intrusive thoughts would have no power and wouldn't be intrusive.

I feel so sorry for this man and think everyone reacting with offence should do the gracious thing and show compassion and understanding.

NemesisInferior · 23/02/2026 16:59

nomas · 23/02/2026 16:54

I am close to disabled people who don’t leave the house for fear of judgement but I don’t have the luxury of only seeing one point of view as you seem to do.

If you’re going to swear at me, don’t bother posting to me again and expecting a response, I am not your whipping boy,

Edited

If that's true, then I would hope that you would have some sort of understanding of how harmful your sort of attitude is.

Ho hum.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 17:00

Flamingojune · 23/02/2026 16:49

Im surprised there were no slurs against women

There might have been. But while people recognise those being rude and offensive, they don't seem to treat them as words with magical powers as they do with race related words.

clickthat · 23/02/2026 17:04

foundmykey · 23/02/2026 16:57

It is not ok to highlight John's issues over and above the harm the word causes to black people! The BBC choosing to highlight John's issues at the expense of the black people in that room is disgusting and racist.

Ask any black person how many people they know who have heard this word before, during or after a physical attack. Intent does not negate impact.

John had a right to be there imo. However, no one has the right to tell people how to feel about the impact of his words regardless of his intent.

A vicar can be a man or woman of any race and "kiddie fiddler" is applied to the vocation not the person. It is not the same.

Hearing a word ≠ having to live with a debilitating neurological disease day in, day out.

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