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Man left his girlfriend to freeze to death

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Trevordidit · 20/02/2026 02:13

Man left his girlfriend to freeze when she was struggling on a mountain hike.

He's been found guilty of manslaughter.

So many aspects of his account don't make sense - AIBU to wonder if he did it on purpose?

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 10:42

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 10:33

Because it’s really offensive to her memory to suggest that this woman was weak minded, being controlled and a silly little woman who had no right climbing a mountain.

When there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this and people who knew her (not us random strangers on the internet), including her own mother, said she was a strong, intelligent woman, who felt she was experienced and adequately equipped to do this.
And that she had just as much say in their relationship as he did and that there were no signs of abuse or control.

He got a 5 month suspended sentence because even the judge and jury believed that this was not intentional.

People are overlooking the fact that he was in the same weather conditions which would have impacted his ability to make decisions etc, just like it impacted her.

Could he have done things differently - absolutely.
Do I think he deliberately took her up there knowing she’d struggle and maybe die - no, there is nothing to suggest that at all.

I think it is really offensive to her memory to blame her death on her poor choices.

Do I think he deliberately took her up there knowing she’d struggle and maybe die - no, there is nothing to suggest that at all.
I agree - it is a stretch to believe he intended for her to die from the outset.
It is possible, but we don't have the evidence.

But you cannot ignore the testimony of the former girlfriend - this is a selfish, cruel man who is happy to walk away in anger from a distressed girlfriend, leaving her in a dangerous situation.

nomas · 20/02/2026 10:45

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 10:33

Because it’s really offensive to her memory to suggest that this woman was weak minded, being controlled and a silly little woman who had no right climbing a mountain.

When there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this and people who knew her (not us random strangers on the internet), including her own mother, said she was a strong, intelligent woman, who felt she was experienced and adequately equipped to do this.
And that she had just as much say in their relationship as he did and that there were no signs of abuse or control.

He got a 5 month suspended sentence because even the judge and jury believed that this was not intentional.

People are overlooking the fact that he was in the same weather conditions which would have impacted his ability to make decisions etc, just like it impacted her.

Could he have done things differently - absolutely.
Do I think he deliberately took her up there knowing she’d struggle and maybe die - no, there is nothing to suggest that at all.

If he deliberate ignored the police calls and waited until 3.30am to call for help, then yes he is at fault.

Wr don’t know all the facts around why she was wearing soft shoes, but the article makes clear ths he was the more experienced climber. So they may know more than what has been released.

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 10:49

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 20/02/2026 09:39

Are those kinds of messages better or worse than the common "time to get your patio done" kind of posts on mumsnet when women are complaining about their husbands?

I don't find those jokes funny but when 2 women a week are murdered by male partners and the numbers of men killed by female partners are so low that official statistics don't exist, the 'jokes' are not equivalent. Men do kill their female partners, in huge numbers, so a man 'joking' about a new way to do it is not actually a joke.

Shrinkhole · 20/02/2026 10:50

That makes a lot of sense if he didn’t want to pay for rescue. That would have been a powerful motivation not to get help for her even when he must have known she needed it

placemats · 20/02/2026 10:52

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/20/austria-climber-convicted-manslaughter-girlfriend-kerstin-g-grossglockner-mountain

"The presiding judge, Norbert Hofer, an experienced mountaineer, ruled that the defendant had been negligent in failing to recognise that Kerstin G would be unable to complete the climb well before the two ran into difficulty.

“I do not see you as a murderer. I do not see you as cold-hearted,” he told Thomas P while delivering the verdict, accepting that he had gone to fetch help.

However, he said that because the defendant was “galaxies” more proficient as a mountaineer than his girlfriend, and because she had placed herself in his care, he was bore responsibility for her death."

Climber convicted of manslaughter after leaving girlfriend on Austria’s highest peak to seek help

Thomas P given five-month suspended prison sentence and €9,400 fine over death of Kerstin G by gross negligence

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/20/austria-climber-convicted-manslaughter-girlfriend-kerstin-g-grossglockner-mountain

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 10:54

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 10:03

But unless he physically kills her, then the responsibility lies with her.

He was not her carer, she was not a child.
She made the conscious decision to do it and felt she was “sufficiently experienced, adequately prepared, and well equipped”.

If she had tripped over and cracked her head open - would that have been his fault or not?

Surely someone dying is not your responsibility unless there was actual negligence but things like wearing soft boots or her not using her own blanket is not his doing, they were her choices that she made.

His negligence was failing to seek help when she was taken ill and failing to ensure she was as safe as possible before he left her. He didn't alert emergency services for 3 hours an after he left her. You seem to be missing key details from the case. Have you read the thread or articles?

placemats · 20/02/2026 10:54

CharlotteRumpling · 20/02/2026 10:12

Nicci French wrote a thriller with exactly this plot.
His behaviour is extremely suspicious and he has got off very lightly. Twice!

I've tried to find it via search engine to no avail. Could you tell me the title?

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 10:55

SnakesandKnives · 20/02/2026 10:34

I am a very experienced mountaineer and I tend to agree with you on everything you say regards personal responsibility etc. Had she hired him as a qualified lead it would be totally different but she didn’t. How you decide ‘how much more experience one party has which then ticks over into ‘they’re responsible’ I’m really not sure

However……what seems really odd to me is that it’s either

a) A total accident, some poor equipment choices by her, some poor rescue decisions by him. If they were both suffering early hypothermia then any sensible decision making can just vanish. People often strip for example. It leads to reply weird behaviour

if that’s the case then making it his fault seems hugely unfair

b) In no way an actual accident. (Which I must admit is my personal view). In which case he should be being properly done for it

they seem to have gone for some weird cross between the two. It’s almost like saying ‘we know this is highly suspicious but we can only do you for this’ and the ‘this’ are things I don’t know he should be help accountable for personally!

I completely agree.

I think that’s why they’ve given him a suspended sentence as they feel there is no proof he did anything wrong and so prison is too much but there’s something a bit off and he probably should be held accountable in some way.

GaIadriel · 20/02/2026 10:58

It does seem odd. The judge stated he does not believe it was a cold blooded act and the mother says she doesn't hold him responsible and that Kirsten was actually very experienced and had completed much more challenging climbs - said she condemns the 'witch hunt' and the way her daughter is being portrayed as a helpless little thing.

But even if he underestimated how cold she was (he was probably warmer as a man) it doesn't make sense that he didn't put the blanket around her and put her in her bivouac, both of which she had in her backpack.

Beachtastic · 20/02/2026 11:01

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 10:33

Because it’s really offensive to her memory to suggest that this woman was weak minded, being controlled and a silly little woman who had no right climbing a mountain.

When there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this and people who knew her (not us random strangers on the internet), including her own mother, said she was a strong, intelligent woman, who felt she was experienced and adequately equipped to do this.
And that she had just as much say in their relationship as he did and that there were no signs of abuse or control.

He got a 5 month suspended sentence because even the judge and jury believed that this was not intentional.

People are overlooking the fact that he was in the same weather conditions which would have impacted his ability to make decisions etc, just like it impacted her.

Could he have done things differently - absolutely.
Do I think he deliberately took her up there knowing she’d struggle and maybe die - no, there is nothing to suggest that at all.

This sort of adventure relies entirely on team work. One person's incompetence or poor decisions puts the other in danger; it works both ways.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 20/02/2026 11:01

Mangelwurzelfortea · 20/02/2026 10:20

Again, mountaineering and technical climbing are not the same thing. My ex mountaineers but he could no way summit a mountain like that one. It's far too difficult and demanding. The accused in this scenario had climbed the mountain before and knew this - why on earth did he let his girlfriend wear unsuitable clothing? It as grossly irresponsible for him to allow this. It IS on him as much as he when you're both out there exposing yourself to potentially life-threatening conditions.

And why didn't she put her blanket and bag on if she could do it herself - and why didn't he insist before leaving her? It doesn't make any sense. Either she couldn't do it, in which case he absolutely should have done it for her, or for some reason she wouldn't let him, which seems unlikely. She probably was in hypothermic shock. Maybe you can't 'prove' it, but given she'd been taken ill on an Alp in January in strong winds, it's a pretty strong probability.

Not just climbed it before, climbed it AND ABANDONED A WOMAN on it before.

Once is unlucky. Twice? Negligent homicide. Let’s hope no one gives him a third opportunity.

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:05

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 10:54

His negligence was failing to seek help when she was taken ill and failing to ensure she was as safe as possible before he left her. He didn't alert emergency services for 3 hours an after he left her. You seem to be missing key details from the case. Have you read the thread or articles?

I’m not missing key details but some posters are overlooking the fact that he too was in the same conditions and likely suffering from similar effects as she was.

She couldn’t even get a blanket out of her bag to cover herself because the elements were that harsh.
Yet people are judging him for not doing enough when he was the one who managed to ring the mountain rescue and go and get help.

There is nothing to suggest that he felt he wasn’t doing the right thing.
He told her to stay put (with the blanket etc) whilst he went and got help - surely this is what most people would do considering she was suffering from exhaustion.

Should he have done things better - absolutely. I am not denying that.

But he was also suffering from the elements and tried to get help which is why the judge only gave him a 5 month suspended sentence.

He is not responsible for her shoes etc though.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 20/02/2026 11:05

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 10:36

It’s worth noting that helicopter rescue in Austria is not covered under the country’s public insurance. Without rescue insurance or an alpine club membership, it can cost thousands of dollars, and in cases of gross negligence, rescued parties are charged the full cost of their rescue.)

Interesting

I mean, tackling an ascent of that kind without insurance seems reckless- though I know nothing about it.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 20/02/2026 11:08

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 20/02/2026 11:05

I mean, tackling an ascent of that kind without insurance seems reckless- though I know nothing about it.

I wonder if the fine he had to pay for her death (£8,200) was less than he'd have had to pay for the emergency helicopter to rescue them both? It would be a horrible irony if it was. And might explain why he made the decisions he did.

Shrinkhole · 20/02/2026 11:08

I originally assumed he had left her to get help and had no choice but if he was in fact able to communicate to emergency services via telephone which it appears he clearly was then he ought to have made as best a shelter as he could and stayed with her. People often survive for days in such conditions if they do that.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 20/02/2026 11:10

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:05

I’m not missing key details but some posters are overlooking the fact that he too was in the same conditions and likely suffering from similar effects as she was.

She couldn’t even get a blanket out of her bag to cover herself because the elements were that harsh.
Yet people are judging him for not doing enough when he was the one who managed to ring the mountain rescue and go and get help.

There is nothing to suggest that he felt he wasn’t doing the right thing.
He told her to stay put (with the blanket etc) whilst he went and got help - surely this is what most people would do considering she was suffering from exhaustion.

Should he have done things better - absolutely. I am not denying that.

But he was also suffering from the elements and tried to get help which is why the judge only gave him a 5 month suspended sentence.

He is not responsible for her shoes etc though.

He was well enough to carry on climbing so he was well enough to have got her blanket and bivvy bag out for her. But he didn't. He must have known if he was leaving her for three hours before alerting emergency services she'd die.

Parrotstwice · 20/02/2026 11:12

I think hes just a terrible person. I dont think it was premeditated murder. I think hes just up his own arse and they had a fight and he stropped off. I reckon he thought shes just a moaning idiot and he'd teach her a lesson or something. Because hes a narcissist.
I dont think he thought about that she might actually die or just that he didn't care in his anger.
I can really see that happening.
I've had many exes who just stormed off and left me in dangerous situations. I've had many exes who'd walk well in front of me not giving a shit I couldn't keep up.
I think sadly its a common thing.

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 11:12

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 10:36

It’s worth noting that helicopter rescue in Austria is not covered under the country’s public insurance. Without rescue insurance or an alpine club membership, it can cost thousands of dollars, and in cases of gross negligence, rescued parties are charged the full cost of their rescue.)

Interesting

There is no way that two Austrians who regularly go mountaineering aren't either members of the ÖAV (the Austrian Alpine Association) or the Bergrettung (Mountain Rescue) both of which offer rescue insurance for helicopter rescue.
Absolutely no way.
I'm a member of the Bergrettung - insurance costs €36 a year. ÖAV costs ca. €72 a year including a reduction in price when staying at alpine huts. Members of the ski club are also insured.

There's absolutely no way they weren't both members of one or the other of these organizations. Everyone who goes out in the mountains in Austria is because everyone knows that if you have to be rescued without insurance you will end up paying an absolute fortune for the rescue.

I think if they hadn't been insured this would have come out in the court case or the press anyway as yet another aspect of one or both of them being negligent and there would have been talk about the costs of the rescue and who was going to have to pay for it.

It's very unlikely he waved the helicopter away because neither of them were insured.

EasternStandard · 20/02/2026 11:13

Mangelwurzelfortea · 20/02/2026 11:10

He was well enough to carry on climbing so he was well enough to have got her blanket and bivvy bag out for her. But he didn't. He must have known if he was leaving her for three hours before alerting emergency services she'd die.

Did he say he didn’t know she had those items?

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 11:14

Mangelwurzelfortea · 20/02/2026 11:10

He was well enough to carry on climbing so he was well enough to have got her blanket and bivvy bag out for her. But he didn't. He must have known if he was leaving her for three hours before alerting emergency services she'd die.

Also there was no comment on the state of him when he finally reached the valley during the initial interviews with him.
If he'd been hypothermic at that point or very unwell it would have been mentioned in court, especially by his defence, as to why he acted as he did.
The defence mentioned that it was not correct of the police to interview him after he had been awake for 30 hours but there was no mention of him being in a physically unfit state or hypothermic. You can be absolutely sure his lawyer would have mentioned it if there was anything like that.

Crunchymum · 20/02/2026 11:15

BBC are reporting he left a previous girlfriend in similar circumstances a few years before. That alone without any of the other factors mentioned, is dodgy as fuck.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 11:17

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:05

I’m not missing key details but some posters are overlooking the fact that he too was in the same conditions and likely suffering from similar effects as she was.

She couldn’t even get a blanket out of her bag to cover herself because the elements were that harsh.
Yet people are judging him for not doing enough when he was the one who managed to ring the mountain rescue and go and get help.

There is nothing to suggest that he felt he wasn’t doing the right thing.
He told her to stay put (with the blanket etc) whilst he went and got help - surely this is what most people would do considering she was suffering from exhaustion.

Should he have done things better - absolutely. I am not denying that.

But he was also suffering from the elements and tried to get help which is why the judge only gave him a 5 month suspended sentence.

He is not responsible for her shoes etc though.

You are still ignoring the testimony of the former girlfriend.

I just cannot understand why you are defending him.

dapsnotplimsolls · 20/02/2026 11:19

placemats · 20/02/2026 10:54

I've tried to find it via search engine to no avail. Could you tell me the title?

Killing Me Softly.

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:20

Beachtastic · 20/02/2026 11:01

This sort of adventure relies entirely on team work. One person's incompetence or poor decisions puts the other in danger; it works both ways.

I completely agree and think this is what many posters are overlooking.

He could have done things differently after she became unwell.

But her inappropriate footwear and clothing etc were down to her and it’s unfair he is getting the blame for her poor choices.

If I went into a lion cage with an experienced lion tamer but decided to put raw meat in my pockets, then I would have to take some responsibility for the negative outcome.

diddl · 20/02/2026 11:25

But her inappropriate footwear and clothing etc were down to her and it’s unfair he is getting the blame for her poor choices.

He should have climbed without her or not at all then?