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Man left his girlfriend to freeze to death

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Trevordidit · 20/02/2026 02:13

Man left his girlfriend to freeze when she was struggling on a mountain hike.

He's been found guilty of manslaughter.

So many aspects of his account don't make sense - AIBU to wonder if he did it on purpose?

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Worriedmumma2025 · 20/02/2026 09:26

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2026 09:18

There's a well documented case on Everest which is talked about in Into Thin Air by John Krakower about hypothermia. They believe that someone quite literally goes mad from hypothermia and in that state can walk off a cliff in a state of delusion whilst stripping off. It's by no means the only such account. Which only serves to highlight more why she should have been in a bivvy - it might have stopped her getting to that point. The assumption that he left her in this condition is one that doesn't take hypothermic delusions into account.

Yes I suppose what I’m trying to say is either he left her in a ‘non-precarious but exposed’ condition vulnerable to the elements OR he left her hanging upside down exposed to the elements.
If she was left not hanging upside down then my question is why he did not protect her with the equipment they had.
I don’t buy that he was suffering from hypothermic madness as he was perfectly able to make a descent himself

prh47bridge · 20/02/2026 09:31

BlackRowan · 20/02/2026 09:13

Come on, he called emergency services and then “didn’t hear his phone or didn’t feel it vibrate”.
really?
can you genuinely believe that someone calls emergency services in situation like that and then is putting his phone away so far that he can’t hear it or feel vibration?

I am simply reporting what he said. It is up to you whether you believe it. But your timeline is incorrect. The missed calls were BEFORE he called the emergency services, not after. After the call in which police claim he told them they were fine, the police did not attempt to contact him again.

Kerstin's mother has told the press, "“I think it’s unfair how Kerstin’s boyfriend is being treated. There’s a witch hunt against him in the media and online. The two of them always made their decisions together. Many people who blame Kerstin’s boyfriend have never been in such a situation. It’s easy to be a hero in the comfort of your own home.”

Edited to add - I am not saying this conviction is wrong. I am not a mountaineer so I don't feel qualified to say one way or the other. But I can certainly understand why some mountaineers are concerned about this conviction and what it means for their sport.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:32

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:03

" let her go in inappropriate clothes and equipment."

Do women really have so little agency over their own lives? She was Austrian, she grew up seeing people in mountain climbing gear. She was an experienced climber, just not as experience as him. She cannot have been unaware of what equipment serious night climbers use on mountains in winter.

Women who are subjected to coercive control can have almost no agency over their own lives.
It is victim blaming to fault a woman for not making more sensible decisions in such relationships.

Although of course in this case we have no other evidence as to whether this was a coercive relationship.

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 09:36

She was experienced in summer hiking and mountain climbing but was a relative newcomer to this.
This was her first winter climb of this nature and a completely unsuitable first winter tour.

She was wearing snowboard boots because they had split boards with them. They did part of the ascent on the split boards (functioning as touring skis). The plan was to snowboard down once they reached the top.
He loaned her crampons but they didn't fit properly and were therefore inadequate.

I read all the live updates in the Austrian press from the courtroom yesterday.
The whole thing was a catalogue of extremely dangerous mistakes or oversights from the very beginning. The tour shouldn't have taken place at all. They had no food with them apart from gummy bears and they'd taken tea but it had frozen.

I don't think he deliberately took her up there with a plan to end her life but I think he was grossly negligent and I suspect he pushed on and on despite her not being up to the rigours of the tour, possibly argued with her and then left her when she couldn't go on any longer.
The court also focussed a lot on the fact that she had a bivak sack and emergency blanket in her rucksack. He didn't have those in his rucksack and claimed he forgot she had them with her. He should have laid her down in a safe place, wrapped her in a blanket and placed her inside the bivak sack. He didn't and she was found hanging off a rope with her head tipped backwards. The judge said the position she was found in and the man's story about how he left her didn't add up.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:36

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:17

I don't doubt you would say the same thing. I doubt that everyone would, and I believe there is a strong bias in these cases to believe that the "poor weak little woman" should have been being looked after by the "big strong man with more experience" rather than that women should look out for their own safety.

I don't believe this case would have gone to trial if both had been the same sex.

It is highly relevant that they were of different sexes, and indeed were in a relationship.
That is key to the case, and explains the dynamics between them. See also the testimony of the former girlfriend. This man's behaviour has to be interpreted in the light of his attitude towards his girlfriends.

This situation would not have arisen if they were both the same sex.

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:38

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:32

Women who are subjected to coercive control can have almost no agency over their own lives.
It is victim blaming to fault a woman for not making more sensible decisions in such relationships.

Although of course in this case we have no other evidence as to whether this was a coercive relationship.

We need to start educating women to have more confidence in themselves. I thought this would have happened by now, but half a century on from my teenage years (where I was an unusually assertive girl) I'm seeing less assertiveness in girls, not more.

Accepting that coercion exists and relying on prosecuting the men is not the solution. Arming the girls for a hostile world is.

Playingvideogames · 20/02/2026 09:39

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:38

We need to start educating women to have more confidence in themselves. I thought this would have happened by now, but half a century on from my teenage years (where I was an unusually assertive girl) I'm seeing less assertiveness in girls, not more.

Accepting that coercion exists and relying on prosecuting the men is not the solution. Arming the girls for a hostile world is.

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How do you do that? There’s never been more support for abuse victims, yet it doesn’t seem to be working.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 20/02/2026 09:39

Playingvideogames · 20/02/2026 09:00

The number of vile ‘this has given me an idea LOL’ type messages from men on articles about this confirms to me how it is absolutely possible that he put his ambition before her safety

Are those kinds of messages better or worse than the common "time to get your patio done" kind of posts on mumsnet when women are complaining about their husbands?

BatchCookBabe · 20/02/2026 09:41

Awful. That poor woman! Sad He should have got 10 years for this! Angry

The link is behind a paywall. Here's another link if anyone is interested.

nypost.com/2026/02/19/world-news/climber-charged-with-leaving-girlfriend-on-austrian-mountain-to-freeze-to-death-tells-court-she-told-him-to-go-and-find-help/

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:41

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:36

It is highly relevant that they were of different sexes, and indeed were in a relationship.
That is key to the case, and explains the dynamics between them. See also the testimony of the former girlfriend. This man's behaviour has to be interpreted in the light of his attitude towards his girlfriends.

This situation would not have arisen if they were both the same sex.

I can't agree with your suggestion that there aren't weaker men being led into dangerous situations by mentally stronger men.

This could equally well have happened to a young man trying to prove himself to another man.

It's behaviour you see in teenage boy groups all the time.

Playingvideogames · 20/02/2026 09:41

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 20/02/2026 09:39

Are those kinds of messages better or worse than the common "time to get your patio done" kind of posts on mumsnet when women are complaining about their husbands?

Worse because they’re joking about an actual person (woman) and making light of her death. Wouldn’t happen on here - not without being swiftly rebuked anyway.

BlackRowan · 20/02/2026 09:42

Onceuponasunflower · 20/02/2026 09:23

There must be a reason she didn't call for help herself or wave down the helicopter.

Here's a good article with opinions of climbing experts:

www.climbing.com/news/climber-faces-homicide-charges-after-his-partner-dies/

It’s of course impossible to prove but I wonder if she was already incapacitated somehow

BeaRightThere · 20/02/2026 09:42

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 20/02/2026 09:39

Are those kinds of messages better or worse than the common "time to get your patio done" kind of posts on mumsnet when women are complaining about their husbands?

Excellent point

Trevordidit · 20/02/2026 09:43

Namechangey23 · 20/02/2026 09:07

How do you know he didn't push her off the mountain? She was found upside down! He waited long enough to know she would have freezed to death at those temperatures. Also explains why she couldn't phone anyone herself, because things escalated suddenly. I don't know why they don't reopen this one to further scrutiny.

Personally that's my theory.

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Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:44

@Playingvideogames You'd have to ask some experts how to stop that but it's probably too late by then and needs to start in childhood.

ComeOnJeremy · 20/02/2026 09:45

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 20/02/2026 09:39

Are those kinds of messages better or worse than the common "time to get your patio done" kind of posts on mumsnet when women are complaining about their husbands?

People don’t tend to post that sort of comment in response to a story about someone who’s actually been murdered and buried under a patio- here they’re joking about an actual woman’s death.

(I agree those patio comments are always grim though.)

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 09:46

I find this really frustrating.

They’ve written the article like she was a child - she was a grown adult who chose to climb a mountain.

It says he ‘allowed’ her to climb in soft boots - no she chose to wear them.

It says he didn’t cover her in a blanket - but why didn’t she cover herself.

She was a keen mountaineer and was not a complete novice, so why did she not protect herself or ring for help.

Unless he killed her and made out like it was hypothermia, then her death was not his responsibility.

researchers3 · 20/02/2026 09:48

tangotingo · 20/02/2026 03:14

He’s got form too - a previous partner testified she did the same mountain with him and he fucked off and left her as they were descending as she was “too slow”, leaving her terrified.

He’s an utter sicko.

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This was the most horrifying thing for me (apart from the young woman's death), he has done this BEFORE.

His girlfriend froze to death, her thermal blanket that could have saved her, still inside her bag.

Of course he knew what he was doing. I'm astonished at the lack of sentence.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:48

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:41

I can't agree with your suggestion that there aren't weaker men being led into dangerous situations by mentally stronger men.

This could equally well have happened to a young man trying to prove himself to another man.

It's behaviour you see in teenage boy groups all the time.

There is a particular kind of cruelty, arrogance, and hatred that some men show towards women, which is not the same as the attitude strong men show towards weak men.
This is what misogyny is - that particular hatred some men have for women.

The reason I think it applies to him is the testimony of the former girlfriend.

Cuttheshurtains · 20/02/2026 09:48

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:41

I can't agree with your suggestion that there aren't weaker men being led into dangerous situations by mentally stronger men.

This could equally well have happened to a young man trying to prove himself to another man.

It's behaviour you see in teenage boy groups all the time.

Agree . I have a relative in an awful controlling relationship with a much older man

And a friend whose dad bullied and mocked him into taking awful risks in their sport until he was old enough to cut ties

SpaceRaccoon · 20/02/2026 09:50

prh47bridge · 20/02/2026 09:07

I'm amazed this myth is still in circulation. If you have no signal from your operator but have some signal from another operator, you can still call emergency services. If you have no signal at all, you cannot call anyone. Period. And even if you do have a signal to call emergency services, it can still make sense to leave your climbing partner on the mountain while you go to get help. You know exactly where your partner is, so can help the emergency services find them. Indeed, according to the defence, Kerstin told Thomas to go and get help and, when he had second thoughts and returned, told him to go on his own and save his own life. Of course, we have no way of knowing whether this is true.

It is concerning that there does not appear to be any recording of the call Thomas P made at 00:35. The police say he told them everything was fine. He says he called for help. If the rescue attempts had started then, she may have survived. Why would anyone call the police to tell them everything was fine? If he did, that seems very odd behaviour. If he is correct that he called for help, her death may be down to the police's failure to act on that call. By the way, it is the prosecution's case that he put his phone on silent but here is no evidence that he actually did so. He says he did not, but that he simply didn't hear the calls and that he didn't feel his phone vibrating.

I wouldn't read anything into the state she was in when she was found. As others have said, people suffering from hypothermia often behave in bizarre ways.

I do wonder if they had summit fever - something that can affect mountaineers when they get close to a summit, leading to them pushing on to reach the summit ignoring risks. This often leads to fatal decision making near the summit. They were only about 50m from the summit.

It seems there is at least some evidence that she was nowhere near as inexperienced as the prosecution claimed, with her social media feed suggesting she was a keen mountaineer. Indeed, her parents wrote a letter saying that they don't blame him for what happened and that she had summited mountains far more difficult than this one. But one of the risks with romantic partners climbing with each other is that they may push too hard, trying to impress each other.

Nearly 300 people a year die on Austria's mountains. Criminal proceedings are almost non-existent. The question is whether this was a tragic accident or did his actions constitute gross negligence.

But he literally called emergency services. Not mythically. And they phoned him back - his phone was on silent, not unreachable.

Also while you may under some circumstances need to leave someone, you wouldn't leave them exposed and fail to use the emergency blanket.

BlackRowan · 20/02/2026 09:50

prh47bridge · 20/02/2026 09:31

I am simply reporting what he said. It is up to you whether you believe it. But your timeline is incorrect. The missed calls were BEFORE he called the emergency services, not after. After the call in which police claim he told them they were fine, the police did not attempt to contact him again.

Kerstin's mother has told the press, "“I think it’s unfair how Kerstin’s boyfriend is being treated. There’s a witch hunt against him in the media and online. The two of them always made their decisions together. Many people who blame Kerstin’s boyfriend have never been in such a situation. It’s easy to be a hero in the comfort of your own home.”

Edited to add - I am not saying this conviction is wrong. I am not a mountaineer so I don't feel qualified to say one way or the other. But I can certainly understand why some mountaineers are concerned about this conviction and what it means for their sport.

Edited

No, missed calls to him were after he called emergency services. Check the timeline.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:52

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 09:46

I find this really frustrating.

They’ve written the article like she was a child - she was a grown adult who chose to climb a mountain.

It says he ‘allowed’ her to climb in soft boots - no she chose to wear them.

It says he didn’t cover her in a blanket - but why didn’t she cover herself.

She was a keen mountaineer and was not a complete novice, so why did she not protect herself or ring for help.

Unless he killed her and made out like it was hypothermia, then her death was not his responsibility.

You have to see the whole episode in the light of the testimony of the former girlfriend.
Without that, your interpretation is possible.
With it, we have insight into his character and thus probable behaviour.

researchers3 · 20/02/2026 09:53

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 09:36

She was experienced in summer hiking and mountain climbing but was a relative newcomer to this.
This was her first winter climb of this nature and a completely unsuitable first winter tour.

She was wearing snowboard boots because they had split boards with them. They did part of the ascent on the split boards (functioning as touring skis). The plan was to snowboard down once they reached the top.
He loaned her crampons but they didn't fit properly and were therefore inadequate.

I read all the live updates in the Austrian press from the courtroom yesterday.
The whole thing was a catalogue of extremely dangerous mistakes or oversights from the very beginning. The tour shouldn't have taken place at all. They had no food with them apart from gummy bears and they'd taken tea but it had frozen.

I don't think he deliberately took her up there with a plan to end her life but I think he was grossly negligent and I suspect he pushed on and on despite her not being up to the rigours of the tour, possibly argued with her and then left her when she couldn't go on any longer.
The court also focussed a lot on the fact that she had a bivak sack and emergency blanket in her rucksack. He didn't have those in his rucksack and claimed he forgot she had them with her. He should have laid her down in a safe place, wrapped her in a blanket and placed her inside the bivak sack. He didn't and she was found hanging off a rope with her head tipped backwards. The judge said the position she was found in and the man's story about how he left her didn't add up.

Then why on earth did he get away with such a crazy lenient sentence. Awful.

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 09:54

It says he ‘allowed’ her to climb in soft boots - no she chose to wear them.
They were planning to use splitboards and then snowboard down. I don't know what boots he was wearing. She did choose to wear them but he had the experience of mountain tours in winter and he should have said they were not suitable because, although she was experienced in summer mountaineering, she was not experienced in the winter.

It says he didn’t cover her in a blanket - but why didn’t she cover herself.
She was probably too incapable at that point.

She was a keen mountaineer and was not a complete novice, so why did she not protect herself or ring for help.
Yes she'd been mountaineering since COVID but she hadn't done a winter tour like that before so she was a novice on this particular expedition.

There's an attempted call from her phone to the number 149 at 5.30pm. 140 is the mountain rescue number. It seems likely that she tried to dial 140. No one will ever know why she didn't attempt to call again.

Unless he killed her and made out like it was hypothermia, then her death was not his responsibility.
The judge has decided it was his responsibility having assessed all the evidence and heard from witnesses and experts.

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