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Man left his girlfriend to freeze to death

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Trevordidit · 20/02/2026 02:13

Man left his girlfriend to freeze when she was struggling on a mountain hike.

He's been found guilty of manslaughter.

So many aspects of his account don't make sense - AIBU to wonder if he did it on purpose?

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Cuttheshurtains · 20/02/2026 12:12

Mangelwurzelfortea · 20/02/2026 11:51

That was a different time, before everyone had mobile phones. Joe literally didn't have a choice. This guy did.

Exactly.
Totally different circumstances. All this guy had to do was make a phone call.

EarthlyNightshade · 20/02/2026 12:14

Womaninhouse17 · 20/02/2026 12:03

If staying means that you'd probably die too, it would be sensible to leave and try to get help. (I'm not saying that's what happened here and it's probably something most people would struggle to do, but it is the most rational way.)

The poster said they would leave someone for being hysterical, did not say anything about getting help.

Notmyreality · 20/02/2026 12:15

EarthlyNightshade · 20/02/2026 11:58

I just can't understand that mentality. You would leave someone to possibly die rather than deal with their situation?

Where did I (and she) say leave to die? I (and she) said walk away. That
could be 100m down the path.
The mentality I can’t understand is all the people on here drawing their own conclusions based on very limited information.
If you’re not in the courtroom keep your opinions and biases to yourself.

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:16

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 11:45

Don't make stuff up.

The huts on the mountain are not open in winter and there is no staff there, experienced or otherwise, and no access to a phone in January.
A winter room will be open which is attached to the main hut with beds and a wood fire but no phone and no staff.

How am I making stuff up when it was said in court?

I said there are shelters (or rooms if you want to be pedantic) that have experienced staff OR phones/resources.

The shelter was the closest thing to them and so it is common sense that you would try this first - even if it was winter and unmanned (lots of other experienced climbers use these too).

She had exhaustion at this point and so it was not safe for her to try and do the journey to the shelter.

Why would you spend hours climbing down without trying the nearby shelter first which potentially had other people in it or resources.

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:20

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:05

I’m not missing key details but some posters are overlooking the fact that he too was in the same conditions and likely suffering from similar effects as she was.

She couldn’t even get a blanket out of her bag to cover herself because the elements were that harsh.
Yet people are judging him for not doing enough when he was the one who managed to ring the mountain rescue and go and get help.

There is nothing to suggest that he felt he wasn’t doing the right thing.
He told her to stay put (with the blanket etc) whilst he went and got help - surely this is what most people would do considering she was suffering from exhaustion.

Should he have done things better - absolutely. I am not denying that.

But he was also suffering from the elements and tried to get help which is why the judge only gave him a 5 month suspended sentence.

He is not responsible for her shoes etc though.

The postmortem suggested she was suffering with a virus when she died. He was able to continue climbing for a further 3 hours after he left her. They were clearly NOT both experiencing the effects of the elements to the same degree.
Also, he had a phone, with signal, and he didn't call for help. Riddle me that one??

Cuttheshurtains · 20/02/2026 12:24

Imdunfer · 20/02/2026 09:38

We need to start educating women to have more confidence in themselves. I thought this would have happened by now, but half a century on from my teenage years (where I was an unusually assertive girl) I'm seeing less assertiveness in girls, not more.

Accepting that coercion exists and relying on prosecuting the men is not the solution. Arming the girls for a hostile world is.

Edited

I am and always was very assertive. A confident professional and a tough negotiator
But I suffered an awful trauma and then met someone who was very lovely and then gradually and insidiously wore me down until I became someone I didn't recognise.
It's a boiling frog thing. I don't think anyone should assume that there is a fail safe way to avoid being a victim of this.

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:24

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 11:12

There is no way that two Austrians who regularly go mountaineering aren't either members of the ÖAV (the Austrian Alpine Association) or the Bergrettung (Mountain Rescue) both of which offer rescue insurance for helicopter rescue.
Absolutely no way.
I'm a member of the Bergrettung - insurance costs €36 a year. ÖAV costs ca. €72 a year including a reduction in price when staying at alpine huts. Members of the ski club are also insured.

There's absolutely no way they weren't both members of one or the other of these organizations. Everyone who goes out in the mountains in Austria is because everyone knows that if you have to be rescued without insurance you will end up paying an absolute fortune for the rescue.

I think if they hadn't been insured this would have come out in the court case or the press anyway as yet another aspect of one or both of them being negligent and there would have been talk about the costs of the rescue and who was going to have to pay for it.

It's very unlikely he waved the helicopter away because neither of them were insured.

That leaves hypothesis A that he was too arrogant to accept the climb was a failure and accept rescue then...

EasternStandard · 20/02/2026 12:24

Cuttheshurtains · 20/02/2026 12:12

Exactly.
Totally different circumstances. All this guy had to do was make a phone call.

Why did he go for help when he had the ability to get help via a phone call? That is strange, wonder if he said why in court.

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 12:25

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:16

How am I making stuff up when it was said in court?

I said there are shelters (or rooms if you want to be pedantic) that have experienced staff OR phones/resources.

The shelter was the closest thing to them and so it is common sense that you would try this first - even if it was winter and unmanned (lots of other experienced climbers use these too).

She had exhaustion at this point and so it was not safe for her to try and do the journey to the shelter.

Why would you spend hours climbing down without trying the nearby shelter first which potentially had other people in it or resources.

I repeat. There are no staff there in winter. There are no phones.
You are talking about something you know nothing about. I live here and I know exactly what those shelters have and do not have.

It made sense for him to head to the shelter because he could have gone inside and got warmed up but not to find non-existent staff or phones and also because the safest route back to the valley was over the peak and down the "normal route" and not back down the Stüdlgrat they came up. The issue was everything that happened before he left her and the circumstances in which she was left. .

A court has found him guilty of causing death by gross negligence. You were not in court and neither was I. The judge had access to all the reports and to the testimonies of the witnesses and decided that the man was guilty.

placemats · 20/02/2026 12:27

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:16

How am I making stuff up when it was said in court?

I said there are shelters (or rooms if you want to be pedantic) that have experienced staff OR phones/resources.

The shelter was the closest thing to them and so it is common sense that you would try this first - even if it was winter and unmanned (lots of other experienced climbers use these too).

She had exhaustion at this point and so it was not safe for her to try and do the journey to the shelter.

Why would you spend hours climbing down without trying the nearby shelter first which potentially had other people in it or resources.

The problems with the climb began at 8.15 pm when a rope got caught. After an hour and a half they sorted it out and at that stage Kirsten had injured her hand. This is the testimony of the accused who has rightly been found guilty of gross negligence.

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:29

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:20

I completely agree and think this is what many posters are overlooking.

He could have done things differently after she became unwell.

But her inappropriate footwear and clothing etc were down to her and it’s unfair he is getting the blame for her poor choices.

If I went into a lion cage with an experienced lion tamer but decided to put raw meat in my pockets, then I would have to take some responsibility for the negative outcome.

And the things he should have done differently would likely have saved her life. That's why he's responsible. She didn't die because she had the wrong shoes.

Lunde · 20/02/2026 12:30

The fact that he abandoned a previous gf shows a pattern

An ex-girlfriend, called as a witness, testified that she had also climbed the Großglockner with Thomas P in 2023. She said he had abandoned her on the route at night after her head torch ran out of battery, leaving her distressed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/20/austria-climber-convicted-manslaughter-girlfriend-kerstin-g-grossglockner-mountain

Climber convicted of manslaughter after leaving girlfriend on Austria’s highest peak to seek help

Thomas P given five-month suspended prison sentence and €9,400 fine over death of Kerstin G by gross negligence

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/20/austria-climber-convicted-manslaughter-girlfriend-kerstin-g-grossglockner-mountain

MabelAnderson · 20/02/2026 12:32

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 09:48

There is a particular kind of cruelty, arrogance, and hatred that some men show towards women, which is not the same as the attitude strong men show towards weak men.
This is what misogyny is - that particular hatred some men have for women.

The reason I think it applies to him is the testimony of the former girlfriend.

Yes. It’s just like the pp who mentioned an ex who would take her to places where she would struggle or look ridiculous in the shoes she was wearing, eg high heels in a farmyard. A deliberate, calculated oneupmanship that some men do to crush women in small ways, that can escalate but by bit all the way up to violence and death.
I had an ex who did things like this. He once took me out to dinner, knowing I had no money on me, then deliberately picked an argument and walked out. Some men really do have this deep hatred of women and will get them to do things where the man has more power.

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:33

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 11:36

She had exhaustion.
He left her with all of the equipment she needed to help keep herself warm.

He then went to seek help from one of the shelters on the mountain, which have experienced staff or supplies/a phone etc.

In hindsight he should have forced her to put her gloves on and wear the blanket etc. before he left but why did she not do that when she was capable?
You can’t say why didn’t he do it, when she didn’t do it herself.

Its likely that she told him to go and get help from the shelter and she started getting out the blankets (hence no gloves on) and then the hypothermia overtook her.

Jesus wept.
She wasn't capable of putting on her blanket and bivvy. That's the point. He left her because she had stopped being capable of anything. He was capable of hiking 3 more hours, she was not. It was 100% his responsibility to ensure she was as safe as possible before he left her. Not hers. She was already in serious trouble at that point. Why are you so determined to give her 'agency' that you're ignoring all sense and logic and exonerating him of any responsibility towards her?

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:36

Notmyreality · 20/02/2026 12:15

Where did I (and she) say leave to die? I (and she) said walk away. That
could be 100m down the path.
The mentality I can’t understand is all the people on here drawing their own conclusions based on very limited information.
If you’re not in the courtroom keep your opinions and biases to yourself.

100m down a 'path' on a top level difficulty mountain in a storm is enough to lose the person forever. Don't talk shite.

RanchRat · 20/02/2026 12:37

Why is this man not serving a life sentence in prison, instead of a short suspended sentence.

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:37

niwtdaaam · 20/02/2026 12:25

I repeat. There are no staff there in winter. There are no phones.
You are talking about something you know nothing about. I live here and I know exactly what those shelters have and do not have.

It made sense for him to head to the shelter because he could have gone inside and got warmed up but not to find non-existent staff or phones and also because the safest route back to the valley was over the peak and down the "normal route" and not back down the Stüdlgrat they came up. The issue was everything that happened before he left her and the circumstances in which she was left. .

A court has found him guilty of causing death by gross negligence. You were not in court and neither was I. The judge had access to all the reports and to the testimonies of the witnesses and decided that the man was guilty.

The court said he went to the shelter to find help.
They did not specify (from what I can see) whether this help would be from staff, other climbers or something else.

He did not go to the shelter to get warm - he headed there for help.
As you say it was also the safest route back down to get help so it made sense.

The courts acknowledged that he went there first.
They also acknowledged that his phone was running out of battery.

He was found guilty and given a 5 month suspended sentence, of which I agree with.
As he did nothing intentional but in hindsight could have made better choices that may have had a better outcome.

Anything leading up to the event (like wearing the wrong shoes) was her own fault though and the misogyny on here is what I disagree with.

MabelAnderson · 20/02/2026 12:38

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:29

And the things he should have done differently would likely have saved her life. That's why he's responsible. She didn't die because she had the wrong shoes.

Agree. And she was highly likely to have been too unwell to have wrapped herself in her blanket and got into her shelter by the time she had to stop, or obviously she would have. It’s absolutely obvious that you would wrap and shelter someone unwell and unable to carry on, if you yourself had to leave to get help in this sort of weather.
The fact he abandoned a previous girlfriend in very similar circumstances tells you everything you need to know about what kind of man this is.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 12:39

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:37

The court said he went to the shelter to find help.
They did not specify (from what I can see) whether this help would be from staff, other climbers or something else.

He did not go to the shelter to get warm - he headed there for help.
As you say it was also the safest route back down to get help so it made sense.

The courts acknowledged that he went there first.
They also acknowledged that his phone was running out of battery.

He was found guilty and given a 5 month suspended sentence, of which I agree with.
As he did nothing intentional but in hindsight could have made better choices that may have had a better outcome.

Anything leading up to the event (like wearing the wrong shoes) was her own fault though and the misogyny on here is what I disagree with.

You are still completely ignoring the testament of the former girlfriend and what it says about his character.

EasternStandard · 20/02/2026 12:39

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:37

The court said he went to the shelter to find help.
They did not specify (from what I can see) whether this help would be from staff, other climbers or something else.

He did not go to the shelter to get warm - he headed there for help.
As you say it was also the safest route back down to get help so it made sense.

The courts acknowledged that he went there first.
They also acknowledged that his phone was running out of battery.

He was found guilty and given a 5 month suspended sentence, of which I agree with.
As he did nothing intentional but in hindsight could have made better choices that may have had a better outcome.

Anything leading up to the event (like wearing the wrong shoes) was her own fault though and the misogyny on here is what I disagree with.

It’s odd he went to get help when he could call for help there. Why would someone not just call

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:41

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:37

The court said he went to the shelter to find help.
They did not specify (from what I can see) whether this help would be from staff, other climbers or something else.

He did not go to the shelter to get warm - he headed there for help.
As you say it was also the safest route back down to get help so it made sense.

The courts acknowledged that he went there first.
They also acknowledged that his phone was running out of battery.

He was found guilty and given a 5 month suspended sentence, of which I agree with.
As he did nothing intentional but in hindsight could have made better choices that may have had a better outcome.

Anything leading up to the event (like wearing the wrong shoes) was her own fault though and the misogyny on here is what I disagree with.

His phone had battery, it might have been low but it wasn't flat. There was no 'help' at the shelter apart from for him to get out of the elements. And as an experienced climber he would have known that. He could have called 3 hours sooner. He didn't need to hike to a shelter to phone for help, he phoned from his mobile once he reached the shelter (where he was nice and safe while his girlfriend was dying)
There is no misogyny on this thread. You have swung so far to correct imaginary misogyny that you're defending a man who left his girlfriend to die. Is that really the position you want to take?

KimuraTan · 20/02/2026 12:42

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 20/02/2026 03:17

He was found guilty and got a suspended sentence and fined less than 10k.

Let that sink in...
Her life was worth less than 10k

Her mother.... presumably due to being mad with grief (because why the f else would you?) was apparently one of his most vocal supporters. 🤯🤯🤯🤯

The sentence isn’t even active yet. Defence has two more days to accept it from what I’ve read in Austrian newspapers and they can choose to appeal.

her mother appears to side with the BF and gave an interview stating she didn’t like her late daughter being portrayed as inexperienced and malleable.

placemats · 20/02/2026 12:43

ShawnaMacallister · 20/02/2026 12:33

Jesus wept.
She wasn't capable of putting on her blanket and bivvy. That's the point. He left her because she had stopped being capable of anything. He was capable of hiking 3 more hours, she was not. It was 100% his responsibility to ensure she was as safe as possible before he left her. Not hers. She was already in serious trouble at that point. Why are you so determined to give her 'agency' that you're ignoring all sense and logic and exonerating him of any responsibility towards her?

He tied her to a rock on an exposed ridge without getting her blanket and bivvy on. According to him he went back but she was still talking at this stage saying "go on, save yourself."

This was recorded in court.

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:45

EuclidianGeometryFan · 20/02/2026 12:39

You are still completely ignoring the testament of the former girlfriend and what it says about his character.

I’m not ignoring it but there was no arrest made in connection to it.

There are also countless testaments from people including the deceased own mother, who claim he would never harm her and this was a pure accident and he is not at fault - so why are you ignoring all of those testimonies?
Surely the opinion of the mother of the deceased carries quite a lot of weight.

I personally am not focusing on the testimonies or the emotional behind it and focusing more on just the facts and evidence provided.

EasternStandard · 20/02/2026 12:48

Tacohill · 20/02/2026 12:45

I’m not ignoring it but there was no arrest made in connection to it.

There are also countless testaments from people including the deceased own mother, who claim he would never harm her and this was a pure accident and he is not at fault - so why are you ignoring all of those testimonies?
Surely the opinion of the mother of the deceased carries quite a lot of weight.

I personally am not focusing on the testimonies or the emotional behind it and focusing more on just the facts and evidence provided.

@Tacohilldoes he say in court why he didn’t just call for help using a phone?

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