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Limiting MH support to certain cultural areas?

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Mindcultural · 17/02/2026 18:48

I have today received this message below from a mental health support service for young people.

AIBU to think it’s completely wrong to offer support based on cultural diversity and would like to know how they decide who fits this criteria?

Hi,

I’m getting touch as you have recently made a referral to our Youth In Mind services on behalf of a child or young person.

Unfortunately, we are having to reduce the size of the team for funding reasons, so we now only have funding to support young people from culturally diverse communities, if this is relevant for the individual you referred to us, please can I ask that you complete this form forms.office.com and we will be back in touch accordingly.

If we are now no longer able to offer support to the individual you have made a referral for, please accept our apologies for this. Please feel free to keep an eye on our website for updated information regarding available services as we are always looking for new funding opportunities to allow us to reach more children and young people.

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TempestTost · 17/02/2026 23:39

Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 22:53

The project for white young people is full. White young people are being catered for.

Clearly not, if it is full and there are still people in need that can't access services.

In fact, if you want to take that approach, it looks like it is clear that there isn't enough provision for "non-diverse" kids, but there is extra for "diverse" kids, since they haven't filled up that program.

Are you really wanting a world where we ration health care serivces, or education, or whatever, with race-quotas?

People who wonder why people are turning away from away from voting for political parties who see this as ok need to do have a "are we the baddies" moment.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:39

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:38

You don't answer questions, you claim not to remember what you've said, you don't read people's posts, you apparently have very little understanding of evidence or logic. I think pp would be wise to stop engaging with you, tbh.

I think you’ve just described yourself there. Did you even scroll up?

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:41

TempestTost · 17/02/2026 23:39

Clearly not, if it is full and there are still people in need that can't access services.

In fact, if you want to take that approach, it looks like it is clear that there isn't enough provision for "non-diverse" kids, but there is extra for "diverse" kids, since they haven't filled up that program.

Are you really wanting a world where we ration health care serivces, or education, or whatever, with race-quotas?

People who wonder why people are turning away from away from voting for political parties who see this as ok need to do have a "are we the baddies" moment.

Or maybe they have 1000 white kids and 100 BAME kids on their books and need to even it up a bit.

TempestTost · 17/02/2026 23:41

Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 23:01

Offering a rich Asian kid counselling services over a poor white kid is racism and it's fucking awful.

You spend your whole post talking about individuals and treating ok the basis of need and then say this?

Are you confused?

Ivelostmyglasses · 17/02/2026 23:41

Str0ganoff · 17/02/2026 19:12

But they’ll be using money meant to go to all children to discriminate. A grant won’t be enough to cover all the charity’s costs.

When services are not accessible to all they are discriminatory. This kind of grant funding opens up services to people who aren't usually able to access it. It not discriminating. It is equity. Some parts of society need extra to help them engage in an equal way but it is not their fault that mental health services for young people are underfunded.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:42

TempestTost · 17/02/2026 23:41

Are you confused?

Who are the Rich Asian kids in this racist scenario against poor white kids? Rishi Sunak’s kids?

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:43

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:35

What’s the point, you’ll just say you never saw it and ask me to re-post it.

That doesn't even make any sense.

I think you've reached your intellectual limits here, no?

DallasMinor · 17/02/2026 23:43

The absolute insanity being spouted on this post is why Reform might actually manage to get in.

A person on an anonymous forum makes a wild claim that is easily disproved. And it is followed by hundreds of comments claiming discrimination and the fall of Britain as we know it despite it being entirely fictional.

Calculateddecisions · 17/02/2026 23:44

Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 23:25

In England we say EDI, so when people say DEI I tend to think they don’t know their backside from their elbow and are just parroting nonsense from a podcast.

Edited

FYI, DEI is the terminology used in the US and US corporations around the world including those based in England.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:44

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nomas · 17/02/2026 23:46

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:43

That doesn't even make any sense.

I think you've reached your intellectual limits here, no?

But at least I retain the intellectual wherewithal to be able to Google things and scroll up on a thread. Yay, me!

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 17/02/2026 23:46

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:36

What riches and culture did we give? We stole their riches, made slavery large scale and left behind division and unrest.

Edited

There was a very interesting guy in Facebook talking about this. He said that the most successful African countries are those that gained legal systems, infrastructure design, language from us. Many territories wanted to stay part of the Commonwealth.

Slavery was already large scale long before we turned, including white slavery. We spent half our national income in 1830 to free the slaves.

TempestTost · 17/02/2026 23:47

DJKATIE · 17/02/2026 23:11

I am absolutely disgusted, when will this stop. We have become second rate citizens in our own country if we are white British. I am not nor have ever been racist but to be constantly pushed aside is making me resent people from other cultures.

It's not the people from other cultures who are pushing that way of thinking, in general. In my experience most don't like it.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:49

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 17/02/2026 23:46

There was a very interesting guy in Facebook talking about this. He said that the most successful African countries are those that gained legal systems, infrastructure design, language from us. Many territories wanted to stay part of the Commonwealth.

Slavery was already large scale long before we turned, including white slavery. We spent half our national income in 1830 to free the slaves.

Ah, Facebook, the spiritual home of Reform and Tommy Robinson.

Britain industrialised slavery on a massive scale, no point denying it. Grotesque.

Ladamesansmerci · 17/02/2026 23:52

This will be to do with funding, and will then have been driven by statistics and need. There is a lot of intersection within minority communities with other factors like poverty, health literacy, educational outcomes, stigma, etc, all of which lead to poorer mental health outcomes. Black men are more likely to experience psychosis and end up detained. Black women are more likely to experience anxiety/depression. Some data suggests BAME people are less likely to receive treatment and despite higher incidence of mental illness.

It absolutely does not make it okay. Mental health care should be for everyone. There is a legal obligation for parity of esteem between mental and physical health, but in reality mental health services remain significantly underfunded. Don't make this into something it isn't. This could quite easily be along the same lines as 'we're now a woman's only domestic violence counselling service due to funding'. It would be the exact same principle. It is wrong, but based on need. All this will do is stir up all the racists. Blame the lack of funding into MH services.

(I'm a mental health nurse btw. Not relevant to this particularly, but just for knowledge).

Ivelostmyglasses · 17/02/2026 23:53

Calculateddecisions · 17/02/2026 23:31

Who says I am in England but thanks for the lesson. Point still stands no matter how you arrange letters. The initiative adds no value to any country as meritocracy is how a country progresses.

Yeah, let's make shoes and clothes all one size, one type of food only, no seats for people on buses who can't sit on the same seats as everyone else. This stupid DEI! No support for veterans. Especially no support for disabled veterans-this DEI has gone too far.

Can you all hear yourselves?

AquaFurball · 17/02/2026 23:56

Str0ganoff · 17/02/2026 19:48

But they won’t just be getting money from this one grant but from other areas including it sounds like the NHS. So other funds need to be pulled as they are breaking the equalities act and not basing provision on need. The money should go to other charities that focus on inclusion and need.

They are focusing on inclusion.

There aren't as many non binary or trans BAME young people because it's dominated by white privilege. There will be plenty of LGB and autistic young people in the culturally diverse (poor) community (postcodes) that they have had to limit their provision to or do they not count as LGB or autistic enough because they might not be white?

Enterthewolves · 17/02/2026 23:59

Mindcultural · 17/02/2026 19:03

Yes

Then don’t blame Leeds Mind, blame the NHS Commissioners who will have told them this is what they have to do. Presumably they are being told to target areas with greatest need - it’s a blunt tool but with funding cuts it is happening more and more

Calculateddecisions · 18/02/2026 00:03

Presumably they are being told to target areas with greatest need

Why wouldn't they target whoever has the most severe/ complex MH need within the whole population? Why bring minority or race into it.

TempestTost · 18/02/2026 00:03

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:41

Or maybe they have 1000 white kids and 100 BAME kids on their books and need to even it up a bit.

Yes, that is a race quota.

It's massively racist to operate that way. You are talking about institutionalised racism.

People disagree with you because you are spouting what is obviously to most people, of all races, race essentialism.

ArtfulPinkBird · 18/02/2026 00:08

@Mindcultural have you tried the children's society in Leeds for support- I work in Children's MH in Leeds and they do offer drop ins with a view to offering 1:1 support if necessary-
https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/information/young-people/well-being/services/time-leeds

Failing that, has your daughter's school got a MH support service- lots of Leeds schools have Place2Be offering a counselling and drop in service to students. Those that don't have a MH service in the school usually pay to be part of a cluster which allows them to refer students to secondary services for MH support. It might be worth asking the school what they might be able to offer or put in place to support.

Time for young people, Leeds | The Children's Society

Time for young people is a wellbeing support space designed with and for children and young people who live and study in Leeds. It gives you space to take a breath, talk, and find a way through what’s going on. Come and talk to us – whenever you’re rea...

https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/information/young-people/well-being/services/time-leeds

Ivelostmyglasses · 18/02/2026 00:10

Calculateddecisions · 18/02/2026 00:03

Presumably they are being told to target areas with greatest need

Why wouldn't they target whoever has the most severe/ complex MH need within the whole population? Why bring minority or race into it.

They are targeting people who cannot access the service easily. This stops their needs developing unnecessarily into more costly complex needs. The racists have brought race into it.

5128gap · 18/02/2026 00:12

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 17/02/2026 23:37

Yes, and it raises the question of whether the information put out by Reform is actually ‘propaganda’ or whether it’s just more cases of anti white discrimination as OP describes.

Plenty of PPs on this thread think it is perfectly fine for this charity, partly funded by government grants, fundraising and legacies (from people presumably supporting its charitable aims to support ALL who need m/h help) to discriminate against kids in need of m/h support purely in their skin colour.

Maybe some of those pps work for charities.

If a charity is targeting services to a particular demographic in society I guarantee it will be because the funder requires it. Because its far easier for a charity to meet performance requirements by simply opening the door to all comers. Targeted services are a LOT of work.
If its a grant it will be because the grant making trust has been set up with the purpose of supporting that demographic. If its a commissioned service then the local authority or government will have identified that group for a targeted service and sought bids for delivery to that group.
If you don't like the fact that no one has bothered to bequeath and donate their money to fund work for your preferred group, then perhaps all the like minded could get together, dig deep, and start one. Just as people have done on behalf of the other groups you're objecting to.
If you don't like the fact the government is targeting certain demographics for services, write to your MP or Councillor and ask them to fund charities to benefit your own preferred group. I'm sure charities would be delighted with the support if it meant more funding to help more people.
And yes. I work for a charity. It's funded to deliver services to vulnerable women, survivors of rape, torture and assault. We discriminate. We don't accept referrals for men.

TempestTost · 18/02/2026 00:13

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:42

Who are the Rich Asian kids in this racist scenario against poor white kids? Rishi Sunak’s kids?

Yes, precisely.

You are starting to figure this out. Not all Asian people are poor, or marginalised, or have a problem accessing services.

Theroadt · 18/02/2026 00:20

If it’s a charity then it’s up to them. If it’s publicly-funded it is not acceptable.

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