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Limiting MH support to certain cultural areas?

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Mindcultural · 17/02/2026 18:48

I have today received this message below from a mental health support service for young people.

AIBU to think it’s completely wrong to offer support based on cultural diversity and would like to know how they decide who fits this criteria?

Hi,

I’m getting touch as you have recently made a referral to our Youth In Mind services on behalf of a child or young person.

Unfortunately, we are having to reduce the size of the team for funding reasons, so we now only have funding to support young people from culturally diverse communities, if this is relevant for the individual you referred to us, please can I ask that you complete this form forms.office.com and we will be back in touch accordingly.

If we are now no longer able to offer support to the individual you have made a referral for, please accept our apologies for this. Please feel free to keep an eye on our website for updated information regarding available services as we are always looking for new funding opportunities to allow us to reach more children and young people.

Limiting MH support to certain cultural areas?
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Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 23:01

TempestTost · 17/02/2026 22:57

I agree OP this is not OK.

And I don't understand why people who are pointing to the funding - accurately I am sure - seem to think that makes it ok.

Yes, a charitable donor can give money for what they like. That does not mean it is necessarily ok for a service provider to accept the money on those terms. I work for an organisation that applies for grants all the time - some aren't ok because they don't align with the principles our service provision are based on.

I think what has happened is that because of the way grants applications have become so fundamental, people who are in the business of trying to wrack their brains to figure out how to take advantage of available money lose sight of the fact that they are being asked to do something that is in many cases really problematic.

It's also a problem where people have learned, largely from American imported lobbing and theoretical bs, to think in a way that is riddled with errors around the interpretation of statistics and is directly opposed to equalities legislation.

Because here is the thing - you can find that a particular group, lets say people of Caribbean origin, are statistically, as a group, more likely to suffer from trauma or MH issues, or more likely for some reason to have a problem accessing services, than another group, lets say Asians, or white people, as a group.

And that can be useful if it helps you to find out why there is a gap. Maybe you try correlating for poverty and you find it's because they are more likely, as a group, to be poor. Maybe it is because they are less likely to have good transport. iOr dozens of other reasons, some might . And if some reasons are specific to that group - maybe there are cultural barriers around fear of doctors for women, say - you might want to address that issue which is very specific to that community in a direct way.

But here is the thing, if you have an well educated and very well off Caribbean woman (my SIL for example) she is not having a problem accessing services because she is "diverse", on the contrary, she is better off than many other people in the country. And a poor, white woman with no education, who can't drive, is far more likely to struggle to access services, and more likely to have MH issues too.

So are people seriously comfortable with offering her services rather than the other woman, because some abstract group called "diverse people" are more likely to be marginalised? Rights, including the right not to be discriminated against, adhere in individuals. Not in groups. And individuals are protected not only if they are in a minority or a marginalised group, all individuals are protected against access to public services on the basis of race. It is meant to be on the basis of need.

And here is the really brilliant thing. If services are offered on the basis of need, and we really try to make that happen, it means the people who may be most likely to have health issues, who are often poor or marginalised, but not always, will be the ones who are most often accessing those services.

Offering a rich Asian kid counselling services over a poor white kid is racism and it's fucking awful. You can't justify it on the basis of statistics about abstract entities. It's gross and it's infected the political left and made them, in many cases, as bad as any of the scientific racists of the late 19th century. And it's destroyed political life in the US and on the way to doing the same in other places.

The only way to stop it, imo, is to make sure organisations aren't allowed to discriminate by accessing funds in this way. It might suck short term but it would ultimately force a new approach.

Offering a rich Asian kid counselling services over a poor white kid is racism and it's fucking awful.

You spend your whole post talking about individuals and treating ok the basis of need and then say this?

Itsmetheflamingo · 17/02/2026 23:02

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 22:56

Well, first of all, I certainly didn't say that any psychotic person was using their psychosis as an opportunity to commit crime. That's an egregious misreading of what I actually wrote and makes me wonder if you are intellectually capable of following an argument at all?

Secondly, you miss my point. You are the one throwing out scenarios and claiming that the obvious reason for any disparity in treatment is racism.

Meanwhile, actual open racism, such as described in the OP, is dismissed as white people complaining about non-white people getting help. So, also racist.

So in your world, every disparity of outcome is driven by racism, except when it negatively affects white people, in which case it is white people being racist about being negatively affected. Which they deserve anyway, because they're white.

This is an entire wall of tosh. I’m cringing for you to be honest

nearlylovemyusername · 17/02/2026 23:03

nomas · 17/02/2026 22:52

HAWWC is a project funded by the government specifically and solely for young, white working class boys.

Edited

so no example of service being denied to any group based on race than? apart from white?

I'm sorry, but HAWWC is irrelevant for this. It's research, not service.

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:03

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:00

So is the project funded specifically to help young white working class boys and their families racist too then?

If it truly is only helping white people then yes of course it is!

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:05

Itsmetheflamingo · 17/02/2026 23:02

This is an entire wall of tosh. I’m cringing for you to be honest

you haven’t engaged with wrongthinker’s argument at all. Are you unable to?

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:05

Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 22:52

So you’ve asked a question, been provided with examples of inequity - clues are things like ‘disproportionate’ and ‘with the same symptoms’ - and yet you still think maybe it’s a good thing that black people are sectioned more often.

Being sectioned can save someone’s life, but very often there are de/escalation or interventions that should happen way before that which don’t carry the same calamitous consequences for the individual (or cost the state so much money). Black men are less likely to receive those. And by virtue of being sectioned, they’re more likely to die under restraint. Again, not because they’re inherently more dangerous, but because of persistent and wrong beliefs about their strength, or pain or drug tolerance.

Its fine not to know things, but when people share information go and read up on it and learn, if you’re interested. Don’t just say ‘well I don’t know, it might be wrong’.

I received one example. It was vague, and I asked a (reasonable) question about it. I've been googling and have not found evidence to support the claims made by yourself or the other poster. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence, of course. But if you make a claim, you should be able to defend it - that's just good debating.

I note that there's a great readiness to start attacking when your claims are questioned in any way. You'll distort what I say and imply that I'm suggesting, oh for example, that black people are "inherently more dangerous". And that way you'll try to shift into a discussion of whether I am a racist, and this distracts from the actual discussion which you don't really want to have, for some reason which I won't speculate on here.

As I said to the other person who has done the exact same thing, what you claim is the 'obvious' meaning is not always so obvious. It's difficult to get clarity when your arguments rely on untested assumptions and biases.

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:06

Itsmetheflamingo · 17/02/2026 23:02

This is an entire wall of tosh. I’m cringing for you to be honest

Aw, bless you.

Cucumberino · 17/02/2026 23:07

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:00

So is the project funded specifically to help young white working class boys and their families racist too then?

Of course. See, spotting discrimination isn’t tricky.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:07

nearlylovemyusername · 17/02/2026 23:03

so no example of service being denied to any group based on race than? apart from white?

I'm sorry, but HAWWC is irrelevant for this. It's research, not service.

Edited

It is a service, they are teaching practicals to across various cities in the UK to influence behaviours that enable underachieving, less advantaged, young, white working class boys to experience more positive home learning experiences and access a quality, free early education place and improve their attainment.

And it is a service solely to benefit young white working class boys and their families. So all other races are excluded.

And no one begrudges this, it’s a good thing.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 17/02/2026 23:08

sexnotgenders · 17/02/2026 19:00

Because they clearly want to prioritise black and brown British children with what limited resources they now have.

Or are those kids not considered ‘British’ enough for you, OP

It’s mind blowing that you think it is perfectly ok to discriminate against children based on the colour of their skin.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:09

Cucumberino · 17/02/2026 23:07

Of course. See, spotting discrimination isn’t tricky.

Where’s your frothing? Don’t let us down.

DallasMinor · 17/02/2026 23:10

I’m calling bullshit on this. It’s literally Reform bait.

OP posted a page that shows several different projects, including ONE that’s dedicated to BAME kids. There’s also one specifically for young women and girls. And one for community groups.

It also states they’re not currently taking any referrals, even if you’re darker than a good cup of tea.

Try harder to be oppressed OP.

DJKATIE · 17/02/2026 23:11

I am absolutely disgusted, when will this stop. We have become second rate citizens in our own country if we are white British. I am not nor have ever been racist but to be constantly pushed aside is making me resent people from other cultures.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:12

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:05

you haven’t engaged with wrongthinker’s argument at all. Are you unable to?

Wrongthinker hasn’t made any argument. She asked for an explanation of why black men are sectioned more, was linked an article, and ignored it.

Because she isn’t actually interested in understanding.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:12

DJKATIE · 17/02/2026 23:11

I am absolutely disgusted, when will this stop. We have become second rate citizens in our own country if we are white British. I am not nor have ever been racist but to be constantly pushed aside is making me resent people from other cultures.

This made me giggle.

Cucumberino · 17/02/2026 23:13

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 17/02/2026 23:08

It’s mind blowing that you think it is perfectly ok to discriminate against children based on the colour of their skin.

And yet we seem to be labeled the bad guys because we’re objecting to this racist discrimination. Apparently if they’re racially discriminating against white people that’s ok.

Racially discriminating against anyone is racism and not ok. It’s sad that this has to be pointed out to so many people on the day Jesse Jackson dies.

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:14

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:12

Wrongthinker hasn’t made any argument. She asked for an explanation of why black men are sectioned more, was linked an article, and ignored it.

Because she isn’t actually interested in understanding.

I didn't see any link? Please send it again. And yes, of course I made an argument. You can click back in that quote thread and read it.

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:14

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:12

Wrongthinker hasn’t made any argument. She asked for an explanation of why black men are sectioned more, was linked an article, and ignored it.

Because she isn’t actually interested in understanding.

She has - she’s suggested the reason they could be sectioned more is because they’re more likely to suffer from psychosis (which - per capita - is true IIRC) rather than because racist psychiatrists are just going around sectioning sane black men. The onus is on you to prove it’s due to racism.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:15

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:14

I didn't see any link? Please send it again. And yes, of course I made an argument. You can click back in that quote thread and read it.

Ah, the sea lioning continues 🤣

Not only are you incapable of Googling it yourself, you now need the same linked posted to you twice in 10 minutes. 😂

Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 23:16

wrongthinker · 17/02/2026 23:05

I received one example. It was vague, and I asked a (reasonable) question about it. I've been googling and have not found evidence to support the claims made by yourself or the other poster. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence, of course. But if you make a claim, you should be able to defend it - that's just good debating.

I note that there's a great readiness to start attacking when your claims are questioned in any way. You'll distort what I say and imply that I'm suggesting, oh for example, that black people are "inherently more dangerous". And that way you'll try to shift into a discussion of whether I am a racist, and this distracts from the actual discussion which you don't really want to have, for some reason which I won't speculate on here.

As I said to the other person who has done the exact same thing, what you claim is the 'obvious' meaning is not always so obvious. It's difficult to get clarity when your arguments rely on untested assumptions and biases.

Your starting point is ‘there’s no discrimination’ despite - on your own admission - not knowing much about it. Some of us do know about it and yet you’re slinging tropes that we’ve heard a million times before. Untested? By you maybe, but you’ve evidently made your mind up without knowing anything at all. But of course, we’re the ones ‘ready to attack’. It can’t possibly be frustration that something that’s been widely reported in the mainstream media and is easily googled (a pp provided you links) is something you immediately question rather than take a beat and research.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:17

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:14

She has - she’s suggested the reason they could be sectioned more is because they’re more likely to suffer from psychosis (which - per capita - is true IIRC) rather than because racist psychiatrists are just going around sectioning sane black men. The onus is on you to prove it’s due to racism.

No, the onus is on her to prove her assumptions, not me. How entitled of you to think otherwise.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:19

Cucumberino · 17/02/2026 23:13

And yet we seem to be labeled the bad guys because we’re objecting to this racist discrimination. Apparently if they’re racially discriminating against white people that’s ok.

Racially discriminating against anyone is racism and not ok. It’s sad that this has to be pointed out to so many people on the day Jesse Jackson dies.

Weren’t you supposed to start frothing about the government funded project to improve educational attainment in young white working class boys and why it’s not for all kids?

Allisnotlost1 · 17/02/2026 23:19

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:14

She has - she’s suggested the reason they could be sectioned more is because they’re more likely to suffer from psychosis (which - per capita - is true IIRC) rather than because racist psychiatrists are just going around sectioning sane black men. The onus is on you to prove it’s due to racism.

You’re completely wrong, but carry on.

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:20

DallasMinor · 17/02/2026 23:10

I’m calling bullshit on this. It’s literally Reform bait.

OP posted a page that shows several different projects, including ONE that’s dedicated to BAME kids. There’s also one specifically for young women and girls. And one for community groups.

It also states they’re not currently taking any referrals, even if you’re darker than a good cup of tea.

Try harder to be oppressed OP.

Yep, and there’s also one for non-binary children, the majority of which are white.

Anonanonnona · 17/02/2026 23:20

nomas · 17/02/2026 23:17

No, the onus is on her to prove her assumptions, not me. How entitled of you to think otherwise.

Well then the onus is on you to prove the entire nhs isn’t racist because white people have the lowest life expectancy, since clearly racism is the default reason for any differences between groups.

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