Limiting MH support to certain cultural areas?

[Mindcultural]

I have today received this message below from a mental health support service for young people.

AIBU to think it’s completely wrong to offer support based on cultural diversity and would like to know how they decide who fits this criteria?

Hi,

I’m getting touch as you have recently made a referral to our Youth In Mind services on behalf of a child or young person.

Unfortunately, we are having to reduce the size of the team for funding reasons, so we now only have funding to support young people from culturally diverse communities, if this is relevant for the individual you referred to us, please can I ask that you complete this form forms.office.com and we will be back in touch accordingly.

If we are now no longer able to offer support to the individual you have made a referral for, please accept our apologies for this. Please feel free to keep an eye on our website for updated information regarding available services as we are always looking for new funding opportunities to allow us to reach more children and young people.

Black and brown children don’t exclusively receive services. This project is for young people who have experienced trauma. There are different strands within the project - one is for girls and young women, one for people from culturally diverse communities, and one for everyone. The programme for everyone is unfortunately full and they’re not taking referrals. The girls strand a culturally diverse strand are still open to people who fit the criteria.

The project is successfully helping white young people, so many in fact that hrs had to close referrals.

It’s that simple.

https://www.leedsmind.org.uk/services/young-people/

But that’s not because they are being discriminated against though is it? We haven’t been presented with any ‘whites only’ services. It’s because they don’t have the wherewithal to find the help themselves.

The Traveller community is classed as a minority ethnicity. It’s not about skin colour. It’s about funding for starters. Which this charity is obviously struggling to get enough off.

I can access 100ks worth of funding for the charities I work with but most is targeted at areas of deprivation/ethnic minorities and small sections of society.

and when I get the funding. Someone has to manage it. We have to get enough volunteers to run it. We have to manage the volunteers. We have to do all the admin and legal stuff and gubbins that the service needs.

and we burn out. And the volunteers on the ground burn out. So we can’t do as much next year. So we reduce our services. We have to make decisions on what we have capacity to apply for, to manage and recruit for and run… writing a funding bid can take over 20 hours. Do that as a volunteer around your family/paid work etc. then the follow up
commitment each week to manage it. It’s a lot.

charities are filling the gap for services that should be provided by councils and governments. Not happy with it - then help us. Don’t vote for parties that will further decimate us or the services we are covering (MH, maternity and parent support etc). Volunteer your services some how (in person, online etc).

Medical discrimination against women is well documented but I asked about racial discrimination in mental health services? Could you give me some concrete examples of where racial discrimination happens by stealth (as you define it)?

Is there the same chance of getting services if you’re white as if you’re BAME? It would seem not from what you’re saying.

But it is ok to spend funds on just white children.

The High Achieving White Working Class (HAWWC) Boys Project is a project to improve educational achievement of young, white working class boys.

No one begrudges that funding.

No one said it needs to include black boys.

Black boys and men are disproportionately restrained and detained under the MHA when compared to white boys and men with the same symptoms. That contributes to fear and mistrust among black communities and deters people from seeking help.

Because the system has been built for white people. It’s institutional discrimination.

nomas · Today 21:37
Because there are other charitirs for that white child that are less accessible to the brown child with similar needs.

Please share the links to charities that are less accessible to brown child than a white child with similar needs.

Stop frothing, just share the links.

I’ve given a few- the majority of sections of black men being in the back of a police car for one. Only a minority of white male sectioned patients are.

can you really not see that something has gone wrong for it to end there?

I can think of a few funders that specifically support white working class boys into HE, or provide funding for people in geographical areas that are exclusively white.

None of it is actually penetrating is it?

You’re just sounding ridiculous now. In what way is hunting out charitable services only something white people can do? Don’t you think that’s a bit patronising?

And reduces their chance of recovery from day 1

Exactly. Funny how OP and Stroganoff and Cucumberino are not up in arms about them.

It certainly doesn’t seem to be getting through to you, no.

You’re being deliberately obtuse.

have you never made any effort to learn about the minority British experience? Or you just assume you know everything because you’re white?

Bloody hell, CAMHS themselves have admitted their service can be difficult for many BAME people to navigate.

Do you even know any BAME people? Do you understand their challenges?

Not all BAME people are Rishi Sunak.

I am up in arms about this. Why wouldn’t I be? I’m not a frothing racist, I believe in equality. OP has clearly been racially discriminated against and you ‘charitable’ people are cool with that. Shocking.

If you say so.

They’ve never found them, because they’ve never needed to or never looked. Easier to simply complain about what can’t be found or doesn’t suit them. It must be incredibly hard trying to find help for a child with complex MH problems and I really feel for @Str0ganoff , but complaining about what is provided for other people isn’t going to solve it. I guess it takes the edge off.

Why would services be hard to navigate for black British people? Do you think they can’t read? Or operate a computer?

Ok, HAWWC Boys Research Project — CREC

This is RESEARCH project. They don't provide any service at all. They work with a few families to understand what made their kids successful. No different to testing women only to improve pregnancy treatments (yes, I'm gender critical).
Quite different to any ord, charity included, denying service to a group based on their race.

Did you misunderstand HAWWC project or was deliberate?

Oh, so that’s your game, deliberately pretending to misunderstand.

Here it is again for you - why are you not frothing about the projects and funds spent exclusively on improving the educational attainment of white young working class boys?

BAME does not solely equal Black British people.

You think you’re clever but you just dig yourself in deeper with every post.