Unfriending right wing friends

[nondrinker1985]

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts.

I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself.

I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

Have you thought that this might be part of the reason why they are fleeing their county and trying to get their women and children out of there?

People’s lives are different and may shape their views differently to yours.
Do you cut off everyone who doesn’t think exactly as you do? What a way to make your world small and unchallenged. It doesn’t do anybody any good to live in an echo chamber.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-matt-goodwin-gorton-denton-children-women-b2918340.html?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQA9NFjbGNrBAD0wGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHrIfnNIYsIok3-2ArAyG-_8WulgCaGWbHkaCDWOZn7w4KbuPrBp7r7-tmazG_aem_59h_1Ue3KVgEnaAt2z02LA&test_group=lighteradlayout

Here it is people, Reform's racial fertility
agenda a la Musk.....the women need educating about their declining fertility & Reform seems to be the ones to do it.

So you think supporting a “far right” party (which consists of many former Conservative MPs) is on the same level as supporting peodophiles?

The ones who are rallying against immigrants would be the first to flee with their kids if there is any sign of
war in the UK

75% of illegal entrants on small boats are men under 40. The rest are apparently 12% children, plus women and men over 40.

The bulk of their travel is across Europe. How is that ‘fraught with danger? Should I cancel my upcoming holiday in Europe? Why would they prolong the wives being totally unsafe by not claiming asylum in the first safe country they reach? It would be a lot quicker.

Some countries have observed these ‘asylum seekers’ popping home for holidays and family events like weddings so much so that they have taken measures to discourage it. Asylum seekers in the UK have been recorded doing the same. The head of UK Border Force has reported it.

They're vulnerable, they're desperate and they will believe whatever lies the traffickers try to spin them.

That’s where the Rwanda plan was aimed at acting as a deterrent. Taking away the marketing message of the people traffickers. An effective U.K. publicity saying you won’t get hotels/benefits/free medical/dental care as standard - you will get sent straight to Rwanda for processing would have been a powerful deterrent. But Labour don’t want to deter them.

If as pp observed, they have carried forward their 2019 manifesto commitment to extend voting rights to ‘all residents’ - Labour are currently sitting back and watching ours if new very motivated Labour voters pour in. With their motivation and our voter apathy, they know they will probably never get voted out again.

It was suspended last autumn. Many thousands of migrants have landed since then. They’ve all got mobile phones, they get instant updates on what’s going on.

Look at ANY news article reporting drowning deaths of migrants on social media. Look at the news articles about that little slim girl who drowned the other week. Laugh reacts. Thousands of them. Comments FULL of bigots crowing about how we need more deaths like these. Thousands and thousands of them.

I’m sorry to have confused you, it seemed quite straightforward to me.

You said this: JHound · Yesterday 23:40
It was in context and she was an immigrant. There is nothing rude in that.I
An immigrant is somebody who moved to a new country. There is no time limit on that definition.

This was in response to someone reporting that a lady in a country for 30 years was offended at being called an immigrant. You have confirmed that calling someone an immigrant is not rude (and I have taken the liberty of assuming that seeing as ‘immigrant’ is not rude, nor is ‘immigration’ as just being discussion of the immigrants.

So all those rather strident voices condemning us for mentioning immigrants (which is all most of us are doing - reporting facts about immigrants) are clearly being unreasonable.

To everyone who supports thousands of asylum claims every year - where is our limit? At what point can we not accept anymore? Should we provide refuge for every single person in the world who is persecuted in their country?

I have never seen that but anonymous ‘laugh reacts’ is proof of nothing.

There are enough unhinged hard left activists out there that would do exactly that in order to elicit a response like yours.

I’ve got a mate who is right wing and I’m sure will vote Reform. He is pretty much diametrically opposed to me politically

On other things we get on well, though. Sport, animals and we share the same sense of humour. We’ve drunk together although I would probably avoid his local which is a hotbed of right wing views

We just don’t discuss politics apart from the
odd sly dig at each other. Wouldn’t dream of not being mates with him. We all have our own views

It, probably, depends on the depth of the “friendship”. He is a RL friend and I’d have a different take on a online only one - having said that I know all my FB friends in RL too

I did unfriend someone who I hadn’t seen for ages because of an abusive rant he made at me for a comment about Tommy Robinson.

Women anc children are known to be pushed off the boats to accommodate more men. Thats the kind of people we are importing into the country

We're a long, long way from any limit, particularly post Brexit. We take fewer asylum seekers than most European countries.

You've swallowed a lot of right wing propaganda hook, line and sinker there. Probably because you want to.

This exactly.

calling someone a racist is soninflammatory. We throw the word around so much these days. Someone doesn’t agree with someone else - one of them will be a racist for some reason. Probably whoever gets to the world first.

I have no idea who I’m going to vote for. What I find really scary is that some people seem to believe we have any good options.

Here’s some homework for you. Go to any of those news articles. Click into the laugh reacts, on any of the comments. Click on their profiles. Stop trying to excuse this monstrous, shitty behaviour.

Illigeam immigration is a problem in many European countries now. The difference is in this country we put the illegal immigrants up in hotels rather than camps and give them money, food and mobile phones and dentistry that British taxpayers themselves can barely access. This is the reason they flock to the land of milk and honey and the reason people are getting angry. It’s unsustainable but also, more worryingly, it is a huge security risk. If you go back 100+ years and tried to get into any country illegally - you’d likely have been killed. Maybe we have progressed from this, but we have gone so far the other way now, where we don’t know the first thing about the undocumented males we are allowing in, that we are opening ourselves up to many serious problems in the not too distant future.

Ah, but they're expats, not migrants!

At least, that's how my friend's racist father sees himself now that he's retired to Spain.

Not just “racist”, I have seen so many posts openly calling anyone who is right-wing “uneducated”. You couldn’t make it up!

@Clavinovais correct on the DA as is Mahmood on Brexit as a factor. The database doesn’t stop horrendous crimes occurring anywhere, most EU countries are dealing with tells same issues except perhaps Poland.

What does seem to be the case is pro Labour seem both quick to say how bad it is that people don’t want men to arrive across the channel but completely gloss over Labour’s policy to pretty much stop women and children.

Or they do a perfunctory oh yes I don’t agree with that. Where are the multiple threads and posts on stopping women and children? Is it not something you care about that much?

The difference is in this country we put the illegal immigrants up in hotels rather than camps and give them money, food and mobile phones and dentistry that British taxpayers themselves can barely access.
No not true

I think you ae confusing terms here. Britain do not house illegal immigrants. The following is how they generally deal with them:

Key measures for dealing with illegal immigrants include:

• Detention and Removal: Individuals arriving illegally are detained and face removal to their home country or a safe third country (such as France), with new, higher-ambition plans to increase removals.
• "Hostile Environment" Policies: Undocumented migrants are denied the right to work, rent property, open bank accounts, or access non-emergency NHS care.
• Criminalization of Assistance: Supplying parts for small boats, such as engines or valves, is a criminal offense with penalties up to 14 years in prison.
• Border Security Focus: A new Border Security Command has been established, backed by £150 million investment to target smugglers using technology like AI for age assessment, despite some rights concerns.
• Limited Asylum Claims: Those arriving illegally are generally barred from claiming asylum in the UK, with the intention that they should use "safe and legal routes".
• Stringent Settlement Rules: The government has introduced stricter rules, including a 20-year wait for permanent settlement for those granted asylum.

These measures aim to deter illegal crossings and "break the business model" of people-smuggling gangs.

Those that come and claim asylum are housed in direct provision until their asylum application is processed.

That's indeed a very depressing thought. There are of course many white immigrants who are racist a.f. In my view, all immigrants are equal, and (very radical thought here) all human beings are equal. Having a citizenship or just being born somewhere does not confer any form of superiority to anyone.

I think a lot of the reason right wing reform supporters are classed as uneducated is because people visualise them as the red faced, middle aged, angry men painting roundabouts and whatnot. I don’t want to generalise but quite often these people are uneducated and believe any old tripe spouted by Farage. A very quick google search shows that only 0.5% of all government spending went on the asylum system last year (accommodation, support and all related services). All this crap about our taxes paying for their hotels is grossly over exaggerated and those who choose to believe it rather than do their own research are daft.

The safely element of allowing unchecked people into the country is another matter of course. We should know who is in the country.

The issue with Reform is that they aren’t just focusing on this. They are creating a divisive country where people of colour who have lived and worked in this country all their lives are now being abused on the streets by racist bigots who feel brave enough to do it now.

I'm curious, did you take a look at how the social media accounts of certain demographics were reacting to events such as Charlie Hebdo, or the Bataclan attack?

Plenty of laughing emoji's there and calls for more.

And this is people living in the UK and other European countries.

If you are going to go all in on performative outrage, at least be consistent.