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To think Lucy Letby could’ve done more to help herself if she really wasn’t guilty?

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Seymorbutts · 10/02/2026 23:59

Just watched the new Lucy Letby documentary on Netflix. I think there’s one of C4 too, don’t know if it’s the same one? I’m leaning slightly more towards that she did it, but only about 60% sure she did it. 40% sure she didn’t do it. On this doc there’s a lot of footage of all her arrests and police interviews. What strikes me as odd IF she’s innocent, is how little she protests her innocence, how calm & composed she is. It’s the same during her arrests. I understand she must’ve been in shock when she was arrested so that could explain it. But she was interviewed for hours. Not once did she say “I didn’t do this” (unless directly asked, which she just answered with “no”) “I’m innocent”, “I could never kill a baby”. Nothing like that. Very little crying too. I know she’s supposedly very quiet and reserved and I’m sure was very scared, but I don’t think personality can account for a total lack of defending herself (or maybe she was just following the advice given by her lawyer). But still, if it was me I’d be absolutely raging, and protesting my innocence at every opportunity and giving clear, detailed reasons why I couldn’t have done it when they put it to me that I did. Or maybe she did do it and she’s a psychopath and unable to show remorse, which could explain her lack of any kind of emotion at all 🤷‍♀️ I really don’t know. If she is innocent though, I feel like the way she behaved made her look guilty. Interested to hear if people think she did it or not and why/why not…

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CommonlyKnownAs · 11/02/2026 14:08

JigsawTrouble · 11/02/2026 14:05

@1975wasthebestYes but even if she felt guilty about maybe hurting them through bad practice, why write “on purpose”. You just wouldn’t say that if you’d done something by accident.

You sound very sure. What's your specialist knowledge in this area, did it happen to you or do you work in the field?

wishingonastar101 · 11/02/2026 14:08

Do you remember Amanda Knox was basically convicted because she was kissing her boyfriend in the car park and was seen doing a cartwheel... she didn't act "properly" and was completely thrown under the bus because of it.

I smile when I am anxious and talk when under pressure... this might not be the same for someone else who might cry or clam up... but neither are indicators of guilt.

FairKoala · 11/02/2026 14:12

You do realise that on that percentage she would be found not guilty

FairKoala · 11/02/2026 14:14

Inmychristmasera · 11/02/2026 00:02

I haven’t watched the documentaries.

I know however, that in her shoes I would have been hysterical. And I think most people would be. Even if guilty, but especially if innocent.

Innocent - you would be shocked, horrified, that someone was saying this horrendous stuff about you. You’d be in a panic about what this meant for your life and your career.

Not most people

Applecharlotte2 · 11/02/2026 14:18

IngridBurger · 11/02/2026 00:10

The truth is that none of us knows how we would respond in such a pressured and stressful situation. There have been many people wrongly suspected or accused of murder based on affect. Look at Amanda Knox for instance. People react differently and often unpredictably

Amanda Knox was definitely involved imv - that was the Americans sweeping in to free her

ShowmetheMapletree · 11/02/2026 14:19

She cried over her cats? so I don't buy the flattened depression meds argument. If she cried during the interviews than they've cut it.

Fodencat · 11/02/2026 14:20

Watched the Netflix docu earlier this week. What struck me was during one of the arrests she asked the police if she could just say goodbye to her cat, like she knew she’d been found out and wouldn’t be seeing him again. Wouldn’t an innocent person be asking why the fuck the police were there and what they were meant to have done!?? She seemed very resigned

CommonlyKnownAs · 11/02/2026 14:23

Some of you should never be allowed on a jury.

Applecharlotte2 · 11/02/2026 14:23

Zanatdy · 11/02/2026 01:39

Didn’t we learn anything after Amanda Knox judging behaviour? I would be protesting, but imagine my 18yrs old DD would shut right down and say nothing. Just depends on personality.

Amanda Knox just got off - she was involved alright

Joanne lees is a better example

TheIceBear · 11/02/2026 14:23

To me she looked completely shocked and worn out. I mean how does anyone know how they would act in that situation

MistressoftheDarkSide · 11/02/2026 14:24

When authority figure levels a serious accusation of wrong doing against you, particularly if it involves harm to another person, your thought process goes something like this ( based on individual experience).

Eh? What do you mean? You mean you think I've done this? What do you think I did?

(Depending on how you ask questions, and how clear a communicator the accuser is, you may get further information. Or, depending on the position of the accuser, you may get told the details will be provided by others more qualified, or that it is dependent on further investigation, and little may be provided in terns if time scale).

Depending on the situation, you may well go into a sort of shock. You try to process what is being said. If you are sure you are innocent, you may assert that, and it is just kind of ignored and over-ridden by procedural waffle. A system has kicked in, and you are now in it. You, as the person you believe yourself to be cease to exist in meaningful terms.

There is a cognitive dissonance to resolve. Until this moment, you have had trust in those accusing you. They are professionals in authority. You rationalise to a degree that they're just doing their jobs, they will soon figure out it's a mistake, something will show up that blows their theory out of the water, and yes, you can even feel guilty that the situation that has lead to this point is causing such alot of unecessary bother, particularly if the accuser displays discomfort or awkwardness or the air if "this is hurting me as much as it's hurting you". If you are naturally conflict averse, submissive or a people pleaser, you may have all the defensive capability of a rag doll cat, and will actively stamp on your anger.

This clinging to hope that things will magically right thrmselves if you just stick to the truth and "let them do their jobs" can persist dangerously. You may be advised to get legal representation. You may balk at that. Seems like overkill in a situation where it's an obvious mistake, and it will be righted soon enough.

(In child protection scenarios, you may be advised by your accusers that legal representation is not necessary, and will complicate matters. However, I would argue that this scenario does demand legal representation, just as much as in criminal court. While most people have a rudimentary grasp at least if criminal process, the family courts are a whole other, and complex can of worms, just as an aside).

When you do get legal advice, feeling very much as though you are in the upside down, all sense of logic and security stripped away in the length of time it took to say one accusatory sentence, and you look to your solicitor as some sort if saviour, you get a very rude awakening. They know the system, those who work within it, those withvwhom they go lodge meetings, play golf, socialise with. Their advice may well come from trying to dovtheir best for you, but how far they will put their professional head above the parapet is balanced by their grip on their future career. If you strike out on your own, get angry, do anything "unadvisable" you will be told off, because you are making their job harder in what already seems an impossible situation.

A good solicitor will be very honest about your chances. Remember, the system is adversarial, once it gets into a court, it's winning versus losing, because most evidence can be ambiguous or interpreted by either side to achieve that goal.

The myth persists that no-one ends up accused in court just because of a series of unfortunate events, no smoke without fire, if you will. But it does happen, and it's quite the unpleasant revelation when it happens to you.

Applecharlotte2 · 11/02/2026 14:26

wishingonastar101 · 11/02/2026 14:08

Do you remember Amanda Knox was basically convicted because she was kissing her boyfriend in the car park and was seen doing a cartwheel... she didn't act "properly" and was completely thrown under the bus because of it.

I smile when I am anxious and talk when under pressure... this might not be the same for someone else who might cry or clam up... but neither are indicators of guilt.

She’s was definitely involved imv

they called the police
to break the bedroom
door down - so odd - they knew what was in there

Zanatdy · 11/02/2026 14:27

Applecharlotte2 · 11/02/2026 14:23

Amanda Knox just got off - she was involved alright

Joanne lees is a better example

Can’t believe anyone thinks Amanda Knox was able to eradicate all her DNA from the crime scene but leave the actual killers all over the place. People made assumptions based on her behaviour and then couldn’t let it go. She was clearly innocent; and has been found so by highest court in Italy.

Applecharlotte2 · 11/02/2026 14:28

Zanatdy · 11/02/2026 14:27

Can’t believe anyone thinks Amanda Knox was able to eradicate all her DNA from the crime scene but leave the actual killers all over the place. People made assumptions based on her behaviour and then couldn’t let it go. She was clearly innocent; and has been found so by highest court in Italy.

I said she was involved

she knew more than she let on

marcyhermit · 11/02/2026 14:29

Fodencat · 11/02/2026 14:20

Watched the Netflix docu earlier this week. What struck me was during one of the arrests she asked the police if she could just say goodbye to her cat, like she knew she’d been found out and wouldn’t be seeing him again. Wouldn’t an innocent person be asking why the fuck the police were there and what they were meant to have done!?? She seemed very resigned

It dragged on for months/years though didn't it, and she was arrested/questioned several times.

1975wasthebest · 11/02/2026 14:31

ShowmetheMapletree · 11/02/2026 14:19

She cried over her cats? so I don't buy the flattened depression meds argument. If she cried during the interviews than they've cut it.

They did cut out stuff - she cried when talking about two of the babies she murdered:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/25/lucy-letby-cried-when-telling-police-about-deaths-of-two-triplets-court-hears

CommonlyKnownAs · 11/02/2026 14:31

Zanatdy · 11/02/2026 14:27

Can’t believe anyone thinks Amanda Knox was able to eradicate all her DNA from the crime scene but leave the actual killers all over the place. People made assumptions based on her behaviour and then couldn’t let it go. She was clearly innocent; and has been found so by highest court in Italy.

Honestly, I can.

There was such a colossal volume of shit pumped out about her. People got emotionally attached to the idea of her guilt, and some of them can't cope with having to accept that they were entirely hoodwinked. There's a lot of it about.

And I think this is inevitable in any MOJ case that attracted public attention during the Internet era. Remember, lots of people aren't very bright.

StickySeason · 11/02/2026 14:31

OP, you’re using the same kind of nonsensical logic that the faithfuls on The Traitors use to deduct (usually incorrectly) whether someone is a faithful or traitor. You’re basing it on your own assumption that something means something based on your own experiences, views and behaviours. The fact is that no one knows how they would behave in a high stress situation. If I was innocent of an awful crime then I think I would protest my innocence. But if I was guilty then I think I would also protest my innocence. Likewise, if I was arrested, held in a cell and then interviewed I might completely shut down regardless of guilt or innocence.

A real life instance of how we think we’d behave versus how we actually behave…I always thought that if I felt threatened and scared of attack that I would fight back if necessary. Then a number of years ago I was in a situation where I was scared and believed I was going to be hurt. Do you know what I did? I froze in terror. I literally couldn’t move from the spot I was so frightened. The point I’m making is that no one knows how they would behave in a high stress situation. I don’t know whether she’s guilty or not, I presume guilty given the verdict, but I wouldn’t be basing innocence or guilt on your observations.

Namingbaba · 11/02/2026 14:34

Zanatdy · 11/02/2026 14:27

Can’t believe anyone thinks Amanda Knox was able to eradicate all her DNA from the crime scene but leave the actual killers all over the place. People made assumptions based on her behaviour and then couldn’t let it go. She was clearly innocent; and has been found so by highest court in Italy.

Or that she’d get into some bizarre murder pact with her boyfriend and another man who basically was a stranger to them. He was also a burglar and since being released from jail has had various sexual assault allegations and charges against him. He was clearly the rapist and killer. The Italian police were mad believe his account.

Periperi2025 · 11/02/2026 14:34

So she was interviewed for hours and the documentary lasted one hour, with a small amount of it focused on the interviews and her arrest, how do you know what was said in the many many other hours of interviewing, in the police car following arrest etc?

It's this lack of critical thinking on the British public that makes the jury system so perilous.

JigsawTrouble · 11/02/2026 14:38

@CommonlyKnownAsNo, just commenting on what I’ve seen on the documentary and in the media, same as everyone else. Why, have you got specialist knowledge of this case in particular, and were you in court to hear all the evidence? Otherwise you’re speculating just as much as the rest of us.

CommonlyKnownAs · 11/02/2026 14:43

JigsawTrouble · 11/02/2026 14:38

@CommonlyKnownAsNo, just commenting on what I’ve seen on the documentary and in the media, same as everyone else. Why, have you got specialist knowledge of this case in particular, and were you in court to hear all the evidence? Otherwise you’re speculating just as much as the rest of us.

I would be if I were actually speculating about her behaviour, yes. That's why I don't. Fwiw, being in court to hear all the evidence in a case doesn't make one a psychological expert either. I have been in court to hear all the evidence in lots of cases (I'm legal) and it didn't make me a clinical psychologist.

But you're right, you aren't the only one with a serious case of Dunning Kruger where Lucy Letby's behaviour is concerned. It is worryingly common for people to set some uninformed standard for normal behaviour in an extreme situation and then pillory others for not meeting it. You have plenty of company.

Idleplum · 11/02/2026 14:46

CommonlyKnownAs · 11/02/2026 14:23

Some of you should never be allowed on a jury.

This thread goes to show why the entire system is flawed.

Passaggressfedup · 11/02/2026 14:48

This is not right, but is fairly common. Many, many HCPs have reported doing similarly - usually accidentally, but sometimes for reflective practice
That's not the case. Not to the excruciating level Lucy. Not notes that happened to relate to the babies who died specifically. And certainly not put in date or alphabetical order.

This is not a 'oops, I took some of the notes again'. These were very specific medical documentation. That alone would be a stackable offense at that level.

I don't agree that posters here who find her behaviours resembling those of a guilty person would convict her if member of a jury. I certainly find her behaviour very suspicious but that alone would definitely not be enough for me to find her guilty of killing all those babies.

EyeLevelStick · 11/02/2026 14:55

Passaggressfedup · 11/02/2026 14:48

This is not right, but is fairly common. Many, many HCPs have reported doing similarly - usually accidentally, but sometimes for reflective practice
That's not the case. Not to the excruciating level Lucy. Not notes that happened to relate to the babies who died specifically. And certainly not put in date or alphabetical order.

This is not a 'oops, I took some of the notes again'. These were very specific medical documentation. That alone would be a stackable offense at that level.

I don't agree that posters here who find her behaviours resembling those of a guilty person would convict her if member of a jury. I certainly find her behaviour very suspicious but that alone would definitely not be enough for me to find her guilty of killing all those babies.

Not notes that happened to relate to the babies who died specifically. And certainly not put in date or alphabetical order.

A small percentage of the total
pertained to the indictment babies.

What order were they in? Date or alphabetical? Can’t be both….

Date broadly makes sense if they were put into the bags and box as she emptied her pockets. Alphabetical makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How could that even be done?

And no, nurses don’t get sacked for taking home handover sheets in their pockets.

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