To agree with the Guardian about the Netflix coverage of the Lucy letby case?

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I honestly don’t think I’ve come across a show in such poor taste before and I am no stranger to stories about murder and the like.

It crosses a huge line in terms of stripping individuals of their dignity.

I don’t plan on watching it but when I turned Netflix on the other night to put a TV show on for my children there it was - horrid and completely unnecessary.

How can there be any evidence if no crime has been committed? How do you defend yourself if you’ve done nothing wrong?

To those of you convinced of her guilt I suggest you read the Private Eye special reports on Lucy Letby (available for free online). This is going to turn out to be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice the UK has even seen.

Go look at Lucy Letby analysis which goes into great detail about the trial, there is a section about Liz Hill, think they did FOI from the police. Has very knowledgable guest speakers even people who used to work on the unit.

You’re a fool who’s clearly very unread.

I would be absolutely fuming if I was one of the parents. To go through this complete fast to protect the NHS from prosecution, when there was clearly neglect at providing sub standard care. Those poor parents could have been compensated by now. Not that that would take the pain away. Instead they are dragged back through this horrendous event over and over again.

expert witness panel states no murder. Just poor care from NHS. Thats it. All circumstantial evidence is just that circumstatial and means nothing.

That is not true they were found in a carrier bag under her bed & in a black bin bag in the garage so obviously not in chronological order maybe together as she emptied her pockets.

Yes maybe, except the massive panel of international experts in their field who were clearly up for it…..

really? Or she just had a really shit defence team ? Looks like the latter doesn’t it ?

I cried with sombody recently remembering a 1 yr old that died after swallowing a penny & choked, I was 18yrs old then now nearing 60yrs old these incidents never leave you.

And other people probably think about that same incident and don't cry. Not everyone acts the same.

Didn’t they say the same about Joanne Lees & the dingo baby mom. That they were emotionless funny how the same is not said about men.

Yes the poor parents. I feel very sorry for them, but if letby didn’t actually do it I still feel sorry for them . If there is any doubt that the truth is different surely they have a right to know ?

It's ridiculous because it shouldn't even need to be said.

Someone would have to have been locked up in their house and never met any people or had any life experiences to believe that everyone reacts the same way.

With LL it could easily be trauma rather than ASD, unless you are referring to anything that was said about her earlier life. I believe she did say she was diagnosed with PTSD (maybe someone else can confirm that)

That poor poor young women’s family hasn’t had justice and the poor poor man who soent his whole life in prison. If there are doubts ( i don’t know enough about the LL case to have an opinion) things do need to be looked at quickly.

The Birmingham Six, The Guilford Four, along with many in Gerry Connolly's family, and The Bridgewater Three were all convicted in court too. The British justice system has an extreme history of a 'convict someone, anyone' policy in highly publicised cases.

I’m not aware that she had formally complained about care on the unit other than raising a few datixes (which is very common and everyone is required to do if they become aware of something, however minor, which might compromise patient safety or result in loss or damage to property).

Her grievance related to the fact that she had been moved off the unit. How had the consultants bullied her other than raising concerns to the trust management that she might be linked to the deaths?

And the consultants did not go to the police without management input, it was trust management who made first contact.

Taking home 1 handover sheet - easy to do but shows carelessness. Nurses don't have (or shouldn't have) their personal bag on the ward, and should change in and out of uniform in the hospital changing rooms. To leave accidentally with a handover sheet means they have had it in uniform pocket and been careless. Equally easy to take it back on their next shift and put in confidential waste.

To accumulate many handover sheets at home is very clearly deliberate and any member of staff doing that is breaching patient confidentiality and hospital policy.

Isn't it just.

And it's particularly disappointing when this sort of pig ignorant sexism comes from other women.

It is not for the panel to determine that there were no murders. They may have put forward alternative explanations for the babies’ deaths and collapses but that is just their opinion and doesn’t by default mean that the prosecution case was wrong either. It also does not take into account any of the other circumstantial evidence that built a much fuller picture of what happened.

Ironically, in being so vocal about her supposed innocence a good number have the panel have now ruled themselves out of being able to give evidence if there were ever a retrial. It may also be a problem for them with the CCRC too.

Your last line really hit home. It was something I realised about the British justice system when I was in my twenties and it shocked me.
In high profile cases, the pressure is on to secure a conviction. It becomes less about making sure it’s the right person and more about getting a conviction fast, even if the evidence isn’t solid. We see evidence of this time and time again.
Then once they get it to court, it becomes a battle of egos between defence and prosecution.
You can’t rely on truth prevailing, and when people say “if a person is innocent, they have nothing to worry about”, they are seriously naive.

This is why it’s so important that the truth comes out, whatever it is. These parents deserve to know why they lost their children. Imagine thinking that your child’s killer is locked up, when in reality it was due to the severe failings at the hospital, which they’ve gone to great lengths to cover up.
The whole thing is a mess.

She had one of the best criminal KCs in the country defending her.

@rubbishatballet but they failed to call an expert witness to challenge the evidence given by the prosecution's "expert" witness. A fundamental failure.

The original pathologist found that they died from natural causes. The panel mearly agree with those findings.
The only person who said murder was the prosecution "expert" who is not a pathologist nor a neonatal specialist whos "expert opinion" has been found to be absolutely bs in more than 1 other case and is known for tailoring his testimony to what is required for the team who are paying him. He also claimed that she had killed other babies in the same manner but those deaths were dropped when it was proved that she wasn't even on the ward those days, 1 of which has just had an inquest which found that the baby died from an untreated water born infection.
The claims that she was responsible for excess deaths at her previous hospital have all been dropped, the police couldn't find anyone to agree that she was linked to any of the excess deaths or that they were from anything but natural causes.
The dr who testified lied either on the stand or in all of his witness statements as none of them correspond with each other, the door entry data was false and you didn't even need to swipe in.
Basically the case should have never made it to a crt let alone a conviction as there are far to inconsistencies, contradictions and unanswered questions.

All the comments about her emotional presentation or lack of it really grind my gears.

I happen to know, from bitter cumulative experience, that prolonged periods of stress and trauma do very weird things to a person. It is medical fact that neurological pathways get re-wired, the brain physically changes as a form of self defence. It can be seen on scans. That's how it's known about, it's neuroplasticity.

Years of being bullied and under suspicion can lead to CPTSD. The brain goes into survival mode. Hypervigilance and paranoia are big features. After a while numbness can set in.

Crying or not crying is not a good indicator of guilt or how a person thinks or feels.

A couple of months after Iost my DP, the absolute most crushing blow on top of years of unexpected and difficult life events, I bumped into someone who knew him through his work, in a pub. They were celebrating their birthday and extremely drunk. I was not. They wept and wailed on my shoulder for nearly half an hour, while I stood dry eyed feeling completely semi-detached. And I'm sure they wondered how or why I wasn't falling apart, because to be fair I was wondering that too. But I couldn't just turn on the tears because a performance might be seen as appropriate.

When I was under scrutiny for three years, I read reports that criticised me for being too emotional - I was six weeks post partum after a traumatic birth and brwildered, terrified for my DC and angry. Down the line when I'd pulled myself together for the fight of my life, I was criticised for being too cold and analytical - but still angry. I could not win.And neither can Lucy Letby.

At that point what they didn't see was me sitting in cold baths at 3am because I truly believed I was going to self combust, because if what was hapoening was possible, so was every unlikely / impossible thing . And I couldn't even seek help or support for that because it would have given them another weapon to use in their quest to prove I was an unstable and unfit mother, because much like Lucy Letby, all their "evidence" was based on "medical opinion". I've written about it elsewhere on here if anyone wants to look. And I don't care if people think I'm lying, or biased, I have the receipts and I fucking lived it, and barely survived.

On this forum, people are very quick to criticise posters who claim they are shaking and crying for any reason. They are accused of lack of resilience. People are very quick to project how they imagine they would react or behave in certain situations. Certain experiences soon provide unwelcome enlightenment that everyone is different, and while crying might be a typical or expected reaction to certain things, sometimes a person doesn't for multiple complex reasons. We are complex individuals and much as we like to think we know it all, we really don't

I'm so sorry you went through that.
I've been questioned by people including the police over my lack of tears and obvious grief when a family member died unexpectedly (massive brain aneurism dead before he hit the ground). I am asd and rarely cry, I either shutdown completely or just go numb, cold and analytical when it comes to grief as I just can't emotionally deal with it. Yet the police and others judged me for it even after the autopsy came back i didn't get an apology just got blamed for my "suspicious affect". Noone could understand why a 17 year old kid with asd might not react as expected when their grandfather literally dropped dead infront of them.
The only person who showed any compassion was the pathologist who I guess has seen just about every type of grief out there and recognised that I was still in shock.
I really wish people would stop judging people for not crying or behaving as they deem appropriate.

Thank you, and a big unashamed virtual hug coming your way. You would hope that professionals in such roles could recognise shock, because it's not just an emotional response, it's completely physiological and can have severe consequences, lasting for a long time until the system can regulate itself - the support offered - or not - has a big influence on that. I am so sorry you had to go through all that x