To agree with the Guardian about the Netflix coverage of the Lucy letby case?

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2026/feb/04/the-investigation-of-lucy-letby-review-netflix?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other]]

I honestly don’t think I’ve come across a show in such poor taste before and I am no stranger to stories about murder and the like.

It crosses a huge line in terms of stripping individuals of their dignity.

I don’t plan on watching it but when I turned Netflix on the other night to put a TV show on for my children there it was - horrid and completely unnecessary.

I was thinking this.

However even NT people don't always react in the stereotypical ways.

There was a select commitee when my kids were very young - I forget what exactly they were looking into but something round breveaded parents and "state" officals.

One mother had lost a child - tradgic accident - and instead of falling apart her focus had been on getting to and protecting her other kids at school. This reaction had led to police and ambulance to report to SS and start investigation into something that wasn't considered suspious prior - and caused years of additional issues and stress for the bereaved family.

They then had some psychologist saying front line reposonders often want to make thing better so child dead they'd want/need to make mother better/treat - which I was think wtf her reponse seemed very natural to me - fuck making others feel better when I'd just had worst thing possible happen to me.

It was also reported a lot of the male MP were unhappy with the group as so many of them were angry and vocal and they'd expected tearful and pleased for attention.

Even the cat cuddling is seen as proof of her guilt by some posters. My teens when upset and me when I lost my Dad wanted comfort and part of that was cat cuddles - to which our usually non cuddle cats were surprisingly tolerant of.

I know miscarrages of justice happen - I know some of the evidence at trial is more disputed now and I know NHS has a long history of covering up system failures and blaming staff or lying, I know police forces can suffer from group think and tunnel vision. I don't know if she is guilty or innocent but I do think the justice system needs to look into it further.

No one willing or able to offer an opinion then as to why a nurse would have, keep and store over 200 handover sheets in her house then?

Paperwork that shouldn't leave the hospital?

Carelessness doesn't cut the mustard when they were kept in chronological order, so why would she take them home and keep them?

So prosecute her for breach of data protocol. Still doesn't make her a murderer if the evidence of murder is wrong.

Hmm ‘according to sources close to the case’ well that’s evidentially robust then.

Letby was not in a therapeutic counselling relationship with de Berger and if she was she really shouldn’t have been given that de Berger was a member of senior management at the trust. De Berger was simply enlisted by management to provide support to her during the investigation process.

Yanbu mistress, your point was very clear.

What explanation could she offer for having them do you think? Quite a bizarre thing to collect, no?

Then take it up with the Guardian as they have obviously reported erroneously, as they mention "counselling sessions" particularly.

I have no idea why she did that or how usual or unusal it is or what it could or couldn't mean.

I do know taking paper work home is not proof of murder.

I'd like to be very sure murders actually took place at all - as even that seems to be looking very doubtful - then cases which were murder I'd like everyone who came into conact with the baby to be looked into - not just focus on one suspect and make evidence fit them.

So I'd like assurances that the police investiagtion was though and competent and that they information used in trial was accurate and not misleading. That should be a given - but sadly it's looking like it not and public confidence in the conviction has been shaken.

I have no view on whether Lucy Lettby is guilty or not - I don't know - I do have very real concerns about how fair her trial was - and how many miscarriages of justice have happened in recent years and how long it takes to right them.

Been covered ad nauseam on varioys forums. Google is your friend.

(Also, she's not the only nurse to do this, by their own admissions around discussion of the case).

I actually suspect she was possibly trying to build evidence about the conditions at the hospital, and perhaps wanted tangible real time notes in case things were altered electronically down the line.

Has there been any psychological reports published on her? Surely she would have been evaluated?

The handover sheets are small bits of paper, with notes handwritten by the nurse at handover so they can be referred to during shift. They live in the nurse’s pocket. Many nurses have stated on here and elsewhere that they accidentally take them home.

She should not have kept them, but it’s not difficult to see why she might keep her own evidence of her shifts because she had concerns about the quality of the care on the ward. They may have been labelled “keep” for this reason, or to ensure the box didn’t end up getting thrown away during a house move (which would have been a much more egregious data breach).

This is not evidence of murder or attempted murder.

This is a big missing piece of the puzzle as psychological evaluations are quite usual in criminal and family law cases. Also, Dewi Evans did make reference to FII in recently released police documents apparently.

I was asking people on THIS forum. So you can't give an explanation yourself then.

Other nurses inadvertently take sheets home, but they don't take over 200 and keep them in order.

Yeah I'm fully aware of what a handover sheet looks like.

So what is it that you find difficult to understand? And why is it evidence that Letby is guilty of murder?

Well, I'm not Lucy Letby so I can't give her explanation, and I have offered a theory of my own, not sure what you're expecting other than that.

You'll be asking why I can't turn water into wine next.

I find it difficult to give a reason as to why a nurse would keep over 200, and what reason anyone who believes she is innocent could give for them being in her possession. When the sheets are accidentally taken home most nurses would take them back into work the next shift to get rid of them.

Obviously those alone don't point to her being a murderer, but they do add to the picture as a whole.

Not when your theory falls apart when she had handover sheets from before she was under suspicion I won't.

Yet all that she chose to say in court about it was that she collects paper.

Give me the facts and figures then, how many exactly, the dates from when she started collecting them etc. Whether there were suspicious deaths or incidents from that period before she was under suspicion. Also your being a bit nonsensical, if she had issues with care or whatever at the hospital, why would she only have handover sheets from after suspicion fell on her? Also, since she was then suspended, of course the handover sheets would span a longer period.

You really are running out of straws to clutch.

I have no idea why - but other nurses don't find it suspicious as you do - and she was on a ward with very clear problem working for NHS with a long history of scapegoating staff.

I've seen international experts call into question fact that murders even took place.

I don't know what happened - but I do worry a proper investiagtion wasn't done and the trial used evidence that seems to be very misleading or wrong and that many experts are now worried about that.

Facts and figures? "Google is your friend".

Nonsensical, the irony.

Maybe she was being sarcastic.

Maybe she'd been advised not to go the whistle blowing route as it would make the court more hostile to her, if that was possible, given the charges against her.

After all, no-one likes a privileged pretty white middle class nurse who has been accused of murdering babies by doctors whose professional practise could fall under scrutiny, and they'd like her even less if she had the nerve to argue in court, showing her arrogance and all that.

So many people on here have no idea and no experience of the psychological pressure and impact on a defendant to "play the game", especially if they are actually innocent.

Well, Google has been my friend.

If there was anything of note on the handover sheets, it hasn't been divulged as far as I can find. Only their existence has been commented on. And that isn't proof of murder.

People do all sorts of weird things with paperwork. Infact, people do all sorts of weird things in general.
I don’t think the notes thing is a red flag. She took them home when she shouldn’t have. She chose to keep them filed away and sorted them in order.
I have friends who alphabetise their books. People can be oddly particular about things.