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To think the 90's/early 2000's was when we peaked and everything has gone downhill since due to technology

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SonnyHoney · 30/01/2026 23:17

To think the 90s/early 2000s was when we peaked and everything has gone downhill since due to technology.

Bear in mind I was only a child/teen then (mid 30s now).
There was just the right amount of technology.
People just seemed happier.

I wish I could have raised my children in a similar environment to what my mother raised me in.

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Galdos · 31/01/2026 10:27

In the mid to late 90s I was tasked with monitoring what people posted on Facebook … the drivel and madness was depressing, and I’ve not looked much at Facebook since! Mumsnet seems to be the only sensible online forum IMO

organisedadmin · 31/01/2026 10:35

@Galdos how, I thought facebook launched in the mid 00s in the UK?!

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2026 10:38

GallonHat · 30/01/2026 23:49

The 2008 crash was the beginning of the end. The iPhone was the coup de grace.

You can trace the generational divide to this. The issues it creates long term in terms of economic inequality are very visible.

It's been identified as generally anyone over 47 being significantly better off than anyone under 43, with us Xennials between 43 and 47 being a mixed bag caught in the middle.

(Weirdly if you count 2008 as the beginning of the end, then that also puts 2012 as the end of the end which is the other date really cite).

It's essentially whether you had bought a house before the crash or not. If you did you got more value for money and easier access to a mortgage and therefore weren't as exposed to issues over housing. You are less likely to have had to rent for so long, you are less likely to get caught out by leasehold issues, you are less exposed to issues with stagnant wage growth and the due to when the crash fell (looking at the average age you bought a house in 2007) the numbers of people going to university meant a degree wasn't as important so you didn't have the debt from that either and you had better opportunities if you didn't have the education as you could still start a good career without one.

This also lies along a technology line - Gen X are identified as have an analogue childhood whilst Gen Y are the digital generation.

Again Xennials get stuck in the middle of this. There's a few of us who as early adopters were part of a first wave of understanding how bad the internet was/is but also understand how beneficial it's been to our lives too. So we cross the boundary again between older people who still don't understand the internet and younger people who don't understand life without it.

It's no one thing. 2008 really was the point where the errors of the then Labour government began to become very apparent.

Not preparing and foreseeing the crash (when it was visible incoming from the moon). Not understanding the implications of fifty percent of people going to university with no thought or investment in the other fifty percent. Not taking the revolutionary nature of the internet seriously enough - I was having lectures in 1998 about this. The only public figure I saw say it would be a revolution was a certain David Jones (his interview from the time really stands out on the subject). These are three key issues.

You also get the rise of leasehold ground rent issues starting around this point - you councils refusing to adopt estates so you start getting service charge issues too. They don't really exist for estates built before 2004 but by 2007/8 they were starting to become the default. You also have the impact of poor planning decisions hitting. There was a trend for small ftb homes forced by government policy which led to developers only really building large family home to maximise profits - no thought was given to 'second tier small homes'. We now face issues relating to this as wage to housing price ratios mean families can't afford big houses anymore whilst boomers want to downsize meaning ALL the pressure in the market is on the very type of home that wasn't being built in the late 90s to 2010s. This is one of the reasons we have a 'housing crisis'. We have a shortage of the right type of house not simple a shortage of housing. But it goes back to policy decisions made at this point.

And please do not get me started on the disaster that is PFI. We should have just borrowed more as it'd have been cheaper in the long run and maybe some public services now would have been more fit for purpose. But it made the books at the time look better than they were.

You also have pension issues which go back even further (to the 80s) but by 2008 - 2012 they were starting to have an impact as the boomer generation started to retire. Final Salary Pension schemes were in their death. By 2004 more than 60% had closed with most of those remaining following shortly after. The oldest boomer's were 65 in 2011. Demographically they are the biggest generation in terms of numbers and therefore voting power, so you see a shift away from the most important voting cohort from being workers with income to pensioners with fixed assets. This political has shifted focus away from the interests of the working population. It's a major change in policy focus for political parties chasing votes. It makes it much more difficult politically to address the triple lock. And of course 20 years down the line, the loss of FPS to young people and the unaffordability of Final Pension Schemes has become much more noticeable combined with the stark affluence of those who benefitted from them.

So was the 90s through to 2010s a golden age? I think it was an age of massive errors, mistakes and poor planning we overlook because it was a period of better economic times. It's harder to hide these same type of errors when the economic outlook isn't so great. Many of these errors were fucking obviously going to be long term disaster zones and many people did voice these concerns at the time but were drowned out by those who were after short term gain.

With the benefit of hindsight it really doesn't look as good as you initially believe when you actually start to THINK about it.

I don't think technology is the primary course of problems. I think it brought significant changes that we didn't really well consider but the biggest issues we have now are much more basic and entrenched in other areas of political decision making which are far more traditional and aren't as easy scapegoats. If you are part of the boomer generation it's easier to look to blame technology change than decisions made during your earlier life. If you are part of generation z technology is of course sacrosanct because you don't know any different and it's easy to blame everyone older than you rather than come up with reasonable workable solutions (perhaps because you don't have the life experience to understand the difference between wishful thinking and how the world is interconnected).

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2026 10:39

Galdos · 31/01/2026 10:27

In the mid to late 90s I was tasked with monitoring what people posted on Facebook … the drivel and madness was depressing, and I’ve not looked much at Facebook since! Mumsnet seems to be the only sensible online forum IMO

No you weren't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
Facebook is an American made social networking service owned by the American technology conglomerate Meta. Created in 2004 by Mark Zuckerberg with four other Harvard College students and roommates, Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz, and Chris Hughes, its name derives from the face book directories often given to American university students. Membership was initially limited to Harvard students, gradually expanding to other North American universities.

Facebook - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

BellRock1234 · 31/01/2026 10:44

I do think of the late 90s/early '00s as the peak, but largely due to the technology, rather than because there was less of it.

Back then, there were new and fantastic things being invented all the time. Ceramic hair straighteners. Digital cameras. Garmen running watches. Super thin sanitary towels. Flat screen TVs. Eventually, smart phones. It felt like real innovation, and felt within reach of most people.

I can't remember the last time I saw something new, that was going to improve life. In fact, everything is getting lower quality. Appliances break quicker. Innovation has turned to how to make cheaper, shitter versions of things that exist, rather than improve things.

The only exception I can think of is in the car industry, with continuous improvement in safety standards and EVs.

That said, I am in no doubt, that my quality of life now is higher than any previous generation of my family.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2026 10:45

The mistakes we are currently making now will make the 2020s look good in 20 to 30 years time I fear.

crackofdoom · 31/01/2026 11:31

Well, this is partially nostalgia. Everyone sees the period when they were young and carefree as the Best Ever. My 81 year old dad is constantly harking back to the 1950s/60s as being great- and I'm sure it was if you were a straight white 18 year old man in London! The flipside to that of course is that any subsequent changes to London - and the UK- in that period he sees as signs of a Terrible Decline From the Golden Age, which has just fed his racism and right wing views.

While I think it's true that there was a period of optimism in the West in the 1990s - traditionally measured between the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and 9/11 in 2001- life still wasn't great if you were a woman, gay or neurodivergent. All those late- diagnosed perimenopausal Gen Xers (me included) were suffering quietly on the sidelines, often being taken advantage of by abusive men, without the widespread knowledge of the power dynamics there is today.

I recently tried to go back and watch Peepshow- always seen as a cool classic- and didn't make it through one episode due to the dated attitudes to women and relationships. I think we forget the widespread sexism and internalised misogyny of the 1990s (or at least we would if we didn't have all those delightful Gen X men clinging on to those attitudes to remind us 🙄).

blubberball · 31/01/2026 11:41

The 90s did seem quite good. All the shit stuff on the news was happening in other countries far away, and we felt extremely lucky. My dad used to say to me: "What are you going to say to your kids? You'll be saying 'All we had was a fully carpeted house, 2 cars, TV, video and CD player in our bedrooms. But we were happy!'"

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 31/01/2026 11:48

I agree OP. Mid 90s, from when you could have a mobile, to late 00’s were the best.
Smartphones have utterly ruined humans.
I wish every day I could have had my kids 15 years earlier. Actually so do they. A lot of young people recognise the 90s- 00s period as a golden age and it was.

HopSpringsEternal · 31/01/2026 11:52

2012 was great. I remember thinking we might actually get rid the scourge of racism within a couple of generations. So fucking naive.
Fuck Farage. Fuck Austerity. Fuck Brexit. Fuck the tech cunts. Fuck people who fall for blaming immigrants when they should be blaming those that are creaming all the money.

SoftFurSmallPaws · 31/01/2026 11:54

Goodness me yes - the second half of the nineties were amazing.

You could buy a house at a very affordable cost and the whole process was much more orderly. BTL hadn't happened yet and neither had mass immigration started.

You could phone up and ask for a doctors appointment and if they didn't have one till the next day they would be hugely apologetic that they couldn't give you one the same day. This wasn't for emergencies just normal GP appointments.

Dating Sites were just starting up - Match existed but it was not online yet. So you filled in paper forms and got names on a list and you wrote to them on paper (you know envelopes, stamps).

Dating - you assumed you were only seeing each other from the word go. Anything else was just 'cheating'.

I can't remember when they stopped uni grants and brought in fees as I had left uni by this time but how amazing that you got a grant to study (and no fees of course).

Weekend entertainment was easy. You went to the shops. Browsed. Had lunch. People watched. Went to the packed cinema.

There was bad things of course and there are some things nowadays that are much easier like online banking (although we did have telephone banking by 1995). I like my kindle now but I do miss bookshops and my concentration is shot to hell now. I like being able to watch films on demand but do miss when the cinema was a big night out.

Seems like another world now that time period but yes it did feel like a sweet spot where we had the best of the old and new technology world.

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 31/01/2026 11:59

I recently tried to go back and watch Peepshow- always seen as a cool classic- and didn't make it through one episode due to the dated attitudes to women and relationships. I think we forget the widespread sexism and internalised misogyny of the 1990s
Hard disagree! Peep Show is still really funny and not at all mysoginistic! There may have been more open sexism in the 90s but now we have mealy mouthed “ inclusion” and choking/ sexual violence seen as mainstream porn… it’s not better now it’s actually much more hateful.

RE RedToothBrush comments sbout mistakes made , I’d agree with a lot of that. I still think the young are being massively screwed over due to demographics, but the main reason things were better before, in the moment, is that there was no social media as we know it now.
Im Gen X and was an early adopter of the internet but online communities were very different to now.
We have a whole generation that never reads à book and gets all its information from TikTok based on personal algorithms. It’s a disaster for society.

IcedPurple · 31/01/2026 12:12

Crushed23 · 30/01/2026 23:24

I’m literally watching About a Boy right now, and thinking about the 2000s!

The late 90s through 2007/8 were a blip, things are just normalising now.

I agree that was a great period.

I'm not sure how much is down to the fact that it was a happy time for me personally. I was young and pretty, in a good place professionally and socially. I had lots of holidays in fascinating places and met loads of interesting people. How I miss those days!

In a broader sense though, I do think it was a kind of 'interim' between the pre-internet era and new digital age. The internet and mobile phones existed, but they made life easier and more interesting rather than completely taking over, as they have now. Not a golden age exactly, but I do look back at it with fondness.

Bitolderandwiser · 31/01/2026 12:12

As one poster bluntly phrased it - it IS a shit show now.
Due mainly to the Internet the world is a horrible place for a lot of people. I'd hate to be bringing kids up now.
However a lot depends on what your life has been like over the years,
I loved the eighties - Had very little money but had a good social life, a part time job I loved, kids were young I was in a steady relationship and life was good..

Tablesandchairs23 · 31/01/2026 12:15

Every generation thinks the best times were when they were late teens/early 20s.

TheGrimSmile · 31/01/2026 12:20

I think anytime before mobile phones became the norm. So pre- 2004 ish? But as a teen / youngsters in the 90s, id say they were the best years.

TheGrimSmile · 31/01/2026 12:21

But objectively things are utterly shit now too. And a big part of that is down to technology.

CelestialCandyfloss · 31/01/2026 12:22

Ha I had this exact same conversation with my mum this morning! I loved the '90s it was fecking brilliant, but then I was a teenager at university, was a size 10, brilliant friends, no really serious worries and just partied, went to gigs, studied English literature 💖

Wildbushlady · 31/01/2026 12:26

DeftWasp · 31/01/2026 08:59

Very much so, we as a species are very good and inventing, but we are unable to decide that an invention is damaging and put it back where it came from.

AI will be the next disaster for mankind, watch this space, its not going to end well.

I wouldn't worry too much about AI taking our jobs or becoming sentient.

I would worry a lot about the inevitable financial crash that will be caused by the AI bubble bursting. Nvidia just cancelled their hundreds of billions deal with OpenAI, so it may be starting to happen sooner than expected.

Not one of these AI companies has a profitable buisness model. They just can't use AI to make money (something like 95% have 0 ROI).

As an example, replacment bots for customer service. They can handle around 90% of the requests. But the remianing 10% are the ones that take up 90% of the live customer servuce agents time. So you still need to pay their wages, and the tech company spent billions developing a tool that can't even replace people or save the money it would cost to buy.

Pentalagon · 31/01/2026 12:28

I have a fondness for the late nineties. It felt like gender equality had been achieved, our male peers were committed to pulling their weight as equal partners and brushing up their orgasm techniques. There was widespread peer acceptance of homosexuality, an appreciation of the personhood of children, a rejection of the stranglehold of religion, and we were on the verge of a changing the world for better.

It wasn’t the best of times, but there was such hope.

CelestialCandyfloss · 31/01/2026 12:34

CaragianettE · 31/01/2026 00:08

Some misty-eyed heterosexual posts this same post every 3 weeks or so. If you were gay and only gained equal marriage rights slightly over a decade ago, you might have noticed that no, not 'everything' has gone down hill since the 1990s.

You know how everyone (heterosexual) fretted about lockdown and how terribly harmful it was going to be for poor precious teens not to be able to date and have their first kiss and the 'normal' teenage experience they were entitled to? Well if you were gay, the 1990s was one long lockdown. Do I miss it? Fuck no.

Totally agree with you. I was talking about this to my mum today. I do tend to look back at those times as good, because I was a carefree teen and I was dating the opposite sex, but it was a terrible time for gay people. There was so much misogyny and sexism too it was just on Tv and in papers and magazines , just wasn't amplified by social media. Now I'm not dating men, or anyone, and I don't really know what my sexuality is, but I know that if I did decide I was bi or lesbian, it would be so much easier (not perfect, just easier) now.

organisedadmin · 31/01/2026 12:39

This political has shifted focus away from the interests of the working population. It's a major change in policy focus for political parties chasing votes.

this is a huge part of the problem

CaptainMyCaptain · 31/01/2026 12:41

JuliettaCaeser · 30/01/2026 23:22

2012 was the peak. Went downhill from then on

I agree. It was due to the change in government in 2010 and other world events including Trump rather than due to technology.

I was 45 in 2000 by the way so not a carefree teen.

SmockAndBeret · 31/01/2026 12:57

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 31/01/2026 11:59

I recently tried to go back and watch Peepshow- always seen as a cool classic- and didn't make it through one episode due to the dated attitudes to women and relationships. I think we forget the widespread sexism and internalised misogyny of the 1990s
Hard disagree! Peep Show is still really funny and not at all mysoginistic! There may have been more open sexism in the 90s but now we have mealy mouthed “ inclusion” and choking/ sexual violence seen as mainstream porn… it’s not better now it’s actually much more hateful.

RE RedToothBrush comments sbout mistakes made , I’d agree with a lot of that. I still think the young are being massively screwed over due to demographics, but the main reason things were better before, in the moment, is that there was no social media as we know it now.
Im Gen X and was an early adopter of the internet but online communities were very different to now.
We have a whole generation that never reads à book and gets all its information from TikTok based on personal algorithms. It’s a disaster for society.

Hard disagree! Peep Show is still really funny and not at all mysoginistic!

Sorry, but I agree with previous poster. I started watching Peep Show for the first time just last week. David Mitchell’s character (aged about 30) has sex with a 17YO A level student. Horrible.

Heyhelga · 31/01/2026 13:12

RunMeOver · 31/01/2026 09:25

What makes you think it's irreversible? Plenty of people simply make the choice not to use it. Most could if they wanted to.

Because it's here and its not going to go away. I've shut down my social media accounts just like many have but it's always going to be a tool available for the people who want to spread hate and division.