Welfare spending to rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn

[topicalaffair]

Over the next five years, the OBR is forecasting that UK welfare spending will rise by £73.2bn to £406.2bn.

How does everyone feel about this? I’m livid because I pay lots of tax. I don’t mind paying tax to maintain a civilised society - but this? This is surely taking the piss and will result in weaker and weaker services as the amount of £ available reduces day by day.

YANBU - it’s totally deranged. The every growing uk population can’t function effectively on such a benefits for all basis.

YABU - this welfare spending bill is truly representative of need.

There's so many that have barely worked. I regularly see people approaching state pension age who aren't even going to reach the 10 years of NI contributions to qualify them even for a very low state pension. And this is taking long term disability out of the equation.

No. You've suggested this, now you need to think this through.

How do these dormitories work? Families split up?

Are there uniforms to wear?

What do you do if you decide the dormitories aren't fixing the problem enough?

Where did you check and find this statistic because my source would suggest the number is 0.3%. Of course the millionaires that own the media would have us believe they will all scarper! Taxing the rich suggests taxing those earning far more than 100k though
taxjustice.net/press/millionaire-exodus-did-not-occur-study-reveals/

So you think tax payers should pay for people to sit around on their arses all day?

If you can get to a day centre, you can probably do a part time cleaning job.

Someone on £100k is not rich

Prison. They are suggesting prison basically.
Disgusting.

Please educate yourself. I am truly embarrassed for you.

You're being wilfully ignorant now, surely. No-one is actually this thick.

The vast majority of people attending day centres will be transported there and back by carers/official transport.

I'm concerned that we're moving beyond the suggestion of prison and into "camp" territory here.

'looked after' is very vague. What would looking after them look like for you?

My daughter earns minimum wage works a few hours around uni and pays more than that in NI

@topicalaffair

Pensioners haven’t paid enough tax for a state pension (as a collective), someone has to pay for them to retire in comfort.

And you would remove housing benefits for younger people who have less opportunity for social housing?

They have total freedom. In fact the set up would encourage them to fund their lifestyle. Opposite of prison.

Of course families would be kept together.

They look after themselves but have this as a fallback. It would not be compulsory.

So, a workhouse? You want to bring back workhouses? Because they worked so well the first time around.

The 'dormitory' sounds like a Soviet labour camp. Psychotic.

So entire families would be forced to live in cramped dorms just because one of them is disabled?
How would this save money? Why would you tear people from their homes?

Would you personally be happy for this to happen to you or someone you love?

Aus has a workfare system no matter which party is in. Going by the general take it wouldn’t be welcomed here. They keep it though as a bipartisan system.

I take it you refused or didn’t apply for a state pension then?

Where would all of these dormitory's go?

Good luck dealing with all of the NIMBYs.

Maybe you should visit a day centre and give the attendees a talk on employment opportunities in the local area, just to motivate them a bit. They might just not have thought if going to work?

Are you going to start at one for people with severe learning disabilities or the one for oaps with dementia.

Pain relief, doctors on hand. An improved version of the current set up. Funded by the saved money.

I’m always amazed that impacts of things in recent years aren’t considered e.g. increasing number of people with long covid is costing billions annually in England.

Perhaps.

But frankly, like the majority of working people, I'm sick of paying. Welfare Reform is badly needed.

There used to be a workfare system here too but it failed because companies would just get the free labour and when it came time to offer a job, why would they when they can say no, not pay them and get more free labour through the door next week?

Current set up? What would that be?