To think that Trump is wrong to propose this since US doesn't seem much safer for Jews than UK is? (Article attached)

[Carla786]

Advised by a formerly British lawyer, Trump is apparently considering offering asylum to UK Jews.

I'm pro a 2 state solution, and I disagree strongly with a lot of Likud's actions on the war. At the same time, I see huge issues with anti Semitism with many of the marches & activism which claim to simply support Palestinian rights. Recent attacks have only confirmed that opinion.

However, I'm not convinced US is much safer. I've been keeping up with the news over the Gaza war protests in US colleges, many seem to have the same problems of anti Semitism as UK ones do. If anything, it seems to be higher, given Columbia has had halls occupied etc. It seems China & Qatar have been funding narratives to disrupt.

The US's position as Israel's top ally arguably makes it more likely anti Semitic fanatics might target Jews there.

Anti Semitism is rising in the US right, too. See Canadace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Nick Funetes. Or the reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder: so many right wingers online were blaming it on Israel.

I can understand fully UK Jews wanting to move somewhere safer. Otoh, I'm not convinced Trump's offer is necessarily a safer one (if he follows it through).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/18/trump-uk-jewish-asylum

Info re Qatar.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=jewishinsider.com/2026/01/qatar-cornell-university-foreign-funding/&ved=2ahUKEwjNvd3hnJmSAxWNWUEAHZp3CWUQFnoECFcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZmSGjjpAAP22K5vdR8Kwz

Another link :

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/nov/20/nick-fuentes-tucker-carlson

Violent crime is overall higher in the US, as is severe drug use (fentanyl epidemic, for one)and mental illness. Not to mention the gun problem. All of these surely don't make anti Semitic violence a weaker possibility there

They can offer asylum to whoever they want, it’s neither right nor wrong. it’s probably up to British Jews to say how unsafe they feel and from the mumsnet boards I’d say it’s pretty unsafe. Personally find the rising tide of antisemitism in the UK horrifying and would feel incredibly sad that any Jewish person would feel the need to consider it.

I definitely agree re British Jews being unsafe here

What seems far less clear is the US being safer. One point in favour would be the higher percentage if Jewish people :potential safety in numbers.

The US is far larger than the UK and numbers of Jews there far higher. So there’s the safety in numbers argument.

I also believe there is a real problem in the UK with authorities kowtowing to Islamists - the recent West Mids police debacle a good example of this. Unsure if the same ideological capture is happening in the US.

Haven’t read your links so they may address my points, happy to be corrected.

My feeling is that it’s a safer place to be a Jew but a far less safe place to live overall.

As a South African (albeit not afrikaner) Jew living in the UK I’m bemused that Trump might consider me worthy of asylum twice over!

Give it a rest, we are talking about anti-semitism experienced by British Jews.

2% of the US population is Jewish so still proportionally very small, but bigger than UK with 0.5% of the population being Jewish.

Unfortunately in some ways that may make Jews more of a target. A slightly larger number fuels jealous conspiracy theories of 'Jewish control'. YouTube seems to be becoming more & more of a cesspit of that kind of stuff and while that's not the average American, it does indicate a scary undercurrent.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=embassies.gov.il/multilateral-organizations-france/en/news/fbi-nearly-70-us-religion-based-hate-crimes-target-jews-source-ynet-itamar-eichner-august-6&ved=2ahUKEwj2q-fNy5qSAxXVdUEAHbhAGp4QFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1-saejrPJsqoRgOca9Ckpc

I also think the fact this guy even said anything is a sign that things aren't good in the UK for Jewish people (unless he's just a total shit stirrer). That by itself, regardless of where else in the world they might move to, is upsetting.

Yes, I strongly I agree with him that there IS increasing danger in the UK Jews. What I disagree with is Trump presenting the US as a safer option.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.jns.org/strong-jew-hatred-in-us-south-behind-arson-attack-on-mississippi-synagogue-historian-says/&ved=2ahUKEwjwhLnhzZqSAxVPU0EAHWkKEOY4ChAWegQINRAB&usg=AOvVaw1GNrIo63blk9xw_o9ZS0Lj

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-883816

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-jewish-groups-urge-heightened-security-public-events-hanukkah-attac-rcna249445&ved=2ahUKEwjfgt3_zZqSAxVZdUEAHe4FAVE4FBAWegQIMRAB&usg=AOvVaw2V-M1a8rdKlM-bJ9lskNKH

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/18/us/mississippi-synagogue-fire-items-ruined

That sounds accurate. It's horrible what's happening in the UK re anti Semitism but violence in the US seems to be rising in general.

Re Trump's South Africa offer : might I ask what you thought of his claims? My impression is that violent crime overall is high but that it's less clear white farmers are being targeted on the basis of race - I don't know very much about South Africa though..m

I don't think there's much point in considering whether anything Trump says is true or not. I don't think he considers it! He thinks about what effect his words will have, not whether they are true. So who is this statement aimed at, and how will they react? And how is that good for Donald Trump?

There is safety in numbers in America. Sure it has some of the same problems but since Islamic immigration is low-ish, it’s not had as much impact. Muslims also don’t have any particular influence even in the Democrat party. It feels to me that the Gaza issue has been particularly polarizing in the UK in a way it just isn’t in the US.

I think he’s trying to divide. He’s pushing narratives that mostly don’t exist except for bigots who were always there but feel enabled to make noise now.

Keep people afraid of each other and wary of “other” and you can conquer pretty easily.

The safest thing we can do is to come together not ring fence ourselves by race, ethnicity or religion. But that takes people standing up for what’s right and that can be dangerous.

My initial reaction was the same as yours, that USA wouldn’t be safer than here. However my perceptions aren’t based on any actual data. Individuals facing the choice will probably know how to go about it. It could be very advantageous for those specific people who’d like to give it a go, just as an adventure! As in, some people may well enjoy taking the opportunity up, regardless of their actual concerns about their safety here.

I thought his claims were nonsensical. There is a lot of violence in South Africa - it's a very sad legacy of Apartheid and (more recently) a sort of vacuum of decent government. I don't agree though that it falls disproportionately on Afrikaners, and certainly not to the degree that warrants the granting of asylum elsewhere.

The safest thing we can do is to come together not ring fence ourselves by race, ethnicity or religion. But that takes people standing up for what’s right and that can be dangerous

It is dangerous to embrace people that hate you and are not shy about saying so. Have people forgotten how many peace activists were killed on 10/7?

Gaza isn't polarising in the same way?

Hmm..

US college protests have been huge in the US, and often in a way that was hostile towards Jews. Have UK unis had mass disruptions & encampments the way the US has?

And not just colleges...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war_protests_in_the_United_States

https://www.timesofisrael.com/protesters-chant-death-to-israel-and-death-to-america-at-michigan-quds-day-rally/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-10/protesters-rally-in-hollywood-ahead-of-oscar-ceremony-calling-for-a-cease-fire-in-gaza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses_in_California_in_2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests_during_the_Gaza_war

This also seems an odd assertion as the US is Israel's biggest supporter (and rightly so). It would be odd if such a polarising issue elsewhere was relatively uncontroversial and devoid of anti Semitism in the US

Thank you. As you say, he seemed to be exploiting very real crimes to make exaggerated claims,presumably to score points with his base.

He wants to use British Jews as a culture war tactic. It’s disgusting to play with people in this way.

Who are you referring to when you say 'people that hate you'? Muslims in US and UK? Palestinians? Pro-Palestine activists? Hamas?

You have a point, US is 1% Muslim to 2% Jewish, whereas UK is 0.5% Jewish to 6% Muslim which affects-but it's not fair or accurate to treat Muslims as uniformly hating Jews and Israel.

The key difference is that UK Muslims (NOT all but many) historically came in large parts from conservative Pakistani village backgrounds, which had led to the historic serious problems among many (obviously grooming gangs, radicalisation also, poorer attitudes in polls to Jews, women's rights, gay rights etc).

Whereas US Muslims tended to come from a range of countries and to be more liberal, educated etc.

Can we offer American women and children asylum seeing as their rights are being eroded?