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TO BE REALLY P*SS*D OFF!!

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joash · 12/06/2008 12:49

Three months ago, I approached my GP about having a gastric band fitted. He did say that I woule probably be turned down as I am to young (I am 44); I don't weigh enough (I weigh 27 stones) and I do not have any illness of informity to do with my weight. He said that he would be willing to 'fight my corner' and back me all the way as I have tried every single way imaginable to lose weight.

Got a call from a friend of mine yesterday (she weighs less than I do, is 27 years old and has a major heart complaint) - her GP has offered her obesity surgery they are not even supposed to consider it if the patient has heart problems.

Anyway, I went to see my GP today to ask if he had heard back from whomever he wrote to and he admitted that he hadn't even bothered to recommend me as he felt that I should persevere with the diet etc. I have been on orlistat and weightwatchers (again) since feb/mar and have not lost one pound!!
I am totally pissed off and very angry.

Does anyone know if there i anyway of going over his head or would I be better changing GP's and finding one who is likely to keep his/her word?

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TheHedgeWitch · 12/06/2008 17:51

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magicfarawaytree · 12/06/2008 17:59

Sorry joash just skimmed first page and then went straight to answer.
Twinkle thanks for bringing me up to speak if we had that synposis on each thread that goes over a couple of pages twould be much easier.
FWIW Joash I would be hacked off if the Dr has misled me and just given up on trying so solve the problem too.

pastapestofor6 · 12/06/2008 20:02

JOASH last year i weighed in at 27 st 4 lbs
i swore i didnt overeat, i SWORE I ate HEALTHILY
i started the cambridge diet and within 7 months i lost 10 stones, i now weigh 16 stones, i am 6 ft 1
after abstaining from food for 7 months i now realise that i DID overeat, there is no way you could be 27 stones without doing so, its just a matter of willpoer
remember i am NOT judging you, i was HEAVIER than u r
I am just commenting from my own experiences

expatinscotland · 12/06/2008 20:12

No one said otherwise, Hedge, but ANY specialist isn't going to just blindly say, 'Oh, you want a gastric band? Ok.'

They'll assess whether or not it's the best option for the patient, just as the GP does when making a referral, because if they waste a specialist's time, it comes back ont them.

The OP states that she's been working with this GP about her weight for some time and is taking a weight drug for it.

Surely he/she knows more than we do.

And if not, well, plenty of people advised seeing the practice manager and other options.

But I don't see where it's being unreasonable to point out that a specialist is going to look at her level of food intake and exercise and possibly conclude that something is wrong that a band won't fix.

expatinscotland · 12/06/2008 20:12

And btw, I am far from teh only person who brought that up, why I am continually singled out I have no idea.

PinkChick · 12/06/2008 20:17

Joash, im not familier with your medication for slimming but im on reductil, have been for just under 2 weeks now and ive lost (up to now) 9lb.

Its made me feel full(as i imagine a gastric band would) and to me is the safer option as if anyone DOES overeat with the GB fitted i would imagine it would do some damage being forced??

i would def try a diff doctor in your practice and see if they can suggest or offer and alternative?

nancy75 · 12/06/2008 20:29

hi Joash (if you are still here!),
i would repeat what people have said earlier about seeing an endochrinologist. i have suffered from thyroid/weight problems for many years, my gp did blood tests that were always "fine", i changed my gp, who did the same tests but admitted that gps cant always understand the results as well as an expert, saw an endochrinologist who said that my problems had obviously been ongoing for some time and missed by the gp.
tell your gp you want to be refered , you never know they may be able to help without the surgery.

nametaken · 12/06/2008 23:05

What about getting a gastric band from a surgeon abroad. In Brussels, (apparently the Eurostar contains quite a few "fat ladies" on Monday morning and back again on Thursday afternoon) Or Prague - the internet is teaming with websites about this procedure. You would have to pay of course, but, as far as I can see, it is about half as much as UK prices.

Of course you'll have to do your research and find a reputable surgeon.

Also, have you heard of a gastric balloon, you don't need to have a general anesthetic for that one so it is a lot cheaper and very low risk. Maybe that would be more suitable for you.

You can't really compare yourself with your friend. Her GP obviously thought she was a suitable candidate and put her forward for surgery. You don't really know her medical history apart from what she has told you and there may be many reasons that you don't know about that make her more suitable for surgery. Even if she's a really good friend, it doesn't mean she's told you everything.

But from what I can see, the easiest option of the lot would be to change your GP to your friends GP. Does it really matter that you have to take a couple of buses there. You could always ask a friend to drive you and offer them some petrol money. And when everythings over, you can change back again.

My GP wouldn't refer me for IVF because they were self-funding so I changed GP, had my IVF for free, got pregnant and went back to my old GP.

Ask around, phone all the GP's in your area and see if they are self-funding (that means they are given a certain amount of money per year and they control their own budget - this is the sort of GP's to avoid in your circumstances) or, best of all, ones whose funding comes direct from central government. There will be a mix of both, I'm pretty sure.

Hope that explains a bit about the politics behind local surgerys.

Don't be pssd off. Look for solutions - there's more than one way to kill a cat.

readyfornum2 · 13/06/2008 05:51

I am the same as pastapestofor6 I swore that I didnt overeat and was weighing in at 17 1/2 stone I have been doing the cambridge diet for 16 weeks and have lost 5 stone and realise just how much crap I used to eat.

Maybe it might be worth considering it?

Also gastric band surgery is dangerous and I think you should consider other options first

squiffy · 13/06/2008 12:03

I have every sympathy for Joash, having been on a similar (but less soul-destroying) search myself.

I had 'something up' after my second child was born. My body just did not seem to 'click back into place' Could not lose weight, despite excercise, low GI, low GL, calorie-controlled intake etc etc etc. Saw 3 GP's, 2 endocrinoligists and a couple of other experts as well, thanks to Bupa I had every test under the sun (including hormone tests, sleep apnea tests, and tests for the more exotic things like cushings). Even went through horrible period on diabetes drugs at the off-label suggestion of one endo chap (because of syndrome X diagnosis) Eventually all I got for my troubles was a 'Firm' diagnosis of ME (my arse) and told to stop work immediately and start CBT counselling, and accept that I was really ill. Umm, no.

Anyway, I decided that if I couldn't get the experts to work out what was wrong I would do it myself. I went through all my tests and the only really unusual result (other than all the positive pointers to syndrome X, which I fully accept as being a factor) was that my retinol-binding-protein test was exceptionally (really exceptionally) low. It had been expected to be very high because this is the new fashionable way of gettign a confirmation of syndrome X. Then I took THIS info and tried to uncover what it might mean. Went deep into the medical research on RBP. There was nothing to link low RBP to weight issues as such, but there was sufficient to suggest that my body was possibly receiving plenty of vitimin A, but maybe not processing it, because of lack of RBP. I also found suggestion of Zinc issues. So I then embarked on religious approach to vitamins - Vit A, all the B's, Zinc and then multi-vits and primrose. I also undertook a series of liver detoxes as there was some evidence to suggest that sluggish liver can also reduce ability to process vitamins and minerals properly. All of this eventually kickstarted my body and now I am able to diet properly (although I still cannot eat anything like a normal person can - if for example I have just a simple dinner out, I need to spend the next week workign like the clappers diet-wise, in order to reverse the effect). But I am at least in charge. Still overweight but I know I can fix it in the usual way (cambrdige being my diet of choice although I find I have to stop it when I plateau, accept that a bit of weight will come back on, then re-start it after a break). None of this came from the doctors (and I have had to stop myself throttling the CD counsellor too, at times) - I just had to work out what 'my' resutls meant (and it took a lot of investigation). Any professional medic will accept a hit-rate of 90% say in terms of diagnosing patients so I learned to accept that no-one except me was going to fix me, because I wasn't in that 90%.

God, sorry, this is a long thread.

Anyway, I firmly believe that (1) the doctors don't yet know everything, (2) that for almost everyone (but NOT everyone) weight issues are easily resolved by diet/excercise solutions, that (3) if you have an underlying medical 'thing' (diagnosed or not) then things like cambridge may well work simply because they pump your body full of vitamins and minerals at same time as restricting weight (ie the vitamin bit might be doing the benefit more than the calorie/carb bit)

Have no idea if any of that gives you any ideas/support. I have no particularly strong views on gastric bands, though I did read somewhere that they don't work for everyone, and I have no reason to believe otherwise. I can fully appreciate why you want to go down this route.

Anyway, that's my experience. If you were a mate in RL I would strongly advise you get ALL markers tested (including retinol-binding protein) and I would also advise slavish devotion to vits/mins, and the detox stuff (google epsom salts/liver detox for directions on how to do this). In all probability your genetic make up and mine will be miles apart so none of this will help. But it might.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

anotherfatty · 13/06/2008 13:22

What on earth makes you think a gastric band op will work for you? All a gastric band does is restrict the amount of food you can put into your stomach and you claim to have done that anyway with no success. What is the point of having major (and dangerous) surgery which quite obviously will not work for you. I am sorry but I find it hard to believe that a) you can do that amount of exercise weighing 27 stones and b) you can weigh 27 stones and barely eat!

CarGirl · 13/06/2008 13:32

Joash I have skim read, I just wanted to mention someone I know with similar problems turned out to be an insulin production problem, NOT diabetes, it is hereditary and the cause of her and her Dad's weight problems. I'm sorry I don't know the name of the condition but I don't think it's a well known one and just wanted to make sure that this is a health condition that has been ruled out.

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