...to ask why nobody is talking about the 32 people killed in the raid on Venezuela?

[QwertyAtThirty]

32 people (largely forming Maduro's security team) were killed when the US attacked Venezuela.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9r0eyw0jno
Why isnt that part of the discussion about whether the US's actions were justified / were an act of warfare / violated international law? Apart from reports such as the one linked above, it's not mentioned in any of the commentary I've seen or heard about the legality of the event. Is it because they died protecting Maduro and are therefore considered the "bad guys" and accepted by the international community as collateral damage in a way they wouldn't be if they were civilians?

I suppose my AIBU is: AIBU to think the fact that lives were lost warrants a place in the discussion?
YABU = they're not worth mentioning
YANBU = their deaths should form part of the conversation

I don't personally know anyone from Venezuela to ask. But like you, the impression I get from the media is that they are overjoyed. Why wouldn't they be? Maduro is by all accounts an awful human being.
But we've been here before with the US "liberating" countries from despotic regimes. It didn't end well for Afghanistan or Iraq, and I don't imagine it will end well for Venezuela either.

Not to mention that there is nothing in Donald Trump's history to suggest he gives a shiny shit about the wellbeing of Venezuelans, or of Americans with mental health problems or addictions. That wasn't his reasoning for doing what he did.

It’s not just the Cuban guards. At least two female Venezuelan civilians were killed by the bombing. One in her forties, one in her seventies.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260105-clearing-bomb-wreckage-venezuelan-mourns-aunt-killed-in-us-raid

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-donald-trumps-bombs-kill-36503210.amp

In their seventies you say ? So they had a good innings. Not really sure what the hysteria is all about.

Donald Trump is 79. Just saying.

I assume you're being facetious. Do you really want to live in a world where it's ok to murder people once they're over 70?

Did you see the footage of Venezuelan soldiers running over civilians? Using tanks.

You're right. 70 is probably a bit late.

65 ? Think of all the pensions you could save. Buy a lot of flags.

Except when you have narcomonkeys pouring over your border causing havoc. But I don't think that's the reason.

Yes, this should be reported. Why isn't it

Sadly, America calls deaths of civilians, 'collateral damage'. America doesn't appear to care for anybody, anywhere but itself. They will take what they want by force if necessary to further their own interests. They have shown the world what America is and means and will do.

At least 20,000 Venezuelan civilians died in extrajudicial killings in 2019 alone. They're probs better off with Trump in charge even if he has no right to take power/is doing it for selfish reasons.

Ah. So the end justifies the means.

So extrajudicial killings are OK if done by Western powers?

So you don't see a difference between the killing of 20,000 civilians and the killing of 32 mercenaries protecting a violent dictator?

And those 20,000 killings were in one year alone. The total figure is likely way higher. I don't like Trump but if one arsehole kills another arsehole we still ultimately have one less arsehole.

"I don't like licking fascist jackboots, but..."

It's possible to deplore all murders by power-hungry psychopaths, you know.

This, and it’s like saying o-one should even think of assassinating Putin even if it meant an end to Russian and Ukrainian deaths. Guess it comes down to that whole “1 death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic” view.

You would have to be an utter imbecile to believe that killing Putin would do anything but pour accelerant on the war in Ukraine.

Why on earth would you think it would do that. Most are probably hoping to back away from this slowly. Estimate is the real deaths are something like 350’000 dead russians. I can’t imagine many russians actually want to do this. I also imagine he’s made it a bit difficult for the kleptocrats to do business and people keep falling out of windows. I imagine if someone bumped him off a lot of people around him would breath a sigh of relief so they could go back to just stealing shit and impoverishing their countrymen.

It’s a bit like believing that Maduro was truly beloved of his people.

Isn't it pretty to think so.

Watching the media on Iran. I didn't know that Maduro was supporting the regime there. But i guess it makes sense. Dictators help each other. Trump really did the Iranian people a favour by going for Maduro. I hope both countries get the leadership and freedom they want and learn from the mistakes of other countries.