to think WLI have given many people huge health improvements despite the remarkable number of people on MN who are anti WLI for no good reason

[MountainStorm]

There seem to be endless anti WLI threads on here filled with misinformation, faux concern, and thinly disguised jibes at overweight people. I don’t really understand the motivation but that’s another issue.

On the other hand, many people have seen huge improvements in their health, confidence and wellbeing from using WLI. I certainly have.

So I wanted to ask AIBU to say that WLI have given many people huge health improvements and to ask what health improvements have you personally experienced on WLI?

For me

• been able to reduce antidepressant medication
• improved fitness, don’t get so tired or out of breath when walking

Not something I'd need to use as I'm naturally relatively slim (size 10/12). However a dear old friend who has been now married for ten years was told that she would never conceive naturally just after they tied the knot. She was also unable to have IVF due to her size. Started WLI lost loads of weight and conceived naturally. It's a joy to see their child born to whom will be amazing parents after years of pain. I can't be angry about WLI in all honesty. If they help people to get their lives back on track, give them happiness whilst limiting their health conditions later in life then I can't judge.

Or, like me, i've never ever had that full feeling, i was hungry from waking up to going to bed. No amount of water or high protein foods stopped the hungry feeling. i woke up thinking about food, didn't stop all day, and went to sleep thinking about food.
To be in a calorie deficit feeling like that is almost unsustainable long term.

WLI's take all that "noise" away so i can successfully calorie count and have control. i do have a plan for when i get to target and need to taper down to come off, but it will be hard - but hopefully the feeling of being slim will beat the gremlins!

'We simply did not have an obesity crisis before the advent of mass marketed UPFs available at cheap prices.'

Lifestyle and junk food contributes more now as people won't walk anywhere and want a pile of chips for tea. I have a dog and never see an obese person out walking, ever. The combination of fast food, laziness and the medicalising of obesity enabling people by saying they have an addiction, they can't help it etc etc all contribute to the crisis.

It is good that jabs work, I hope it gives a clear signal to those who aren't on them that yes the amount you consume is the factor in weight. Not 'other medication' or metabolism.

I’m an obese person and walk my dog 3 miles every day. Plenty of us about.

I’ve never eaten a pile of chips from my dinner ever. In fact I can’t remember the last time I ate chips. I don’t like junk food and cook from scratch.

I walk 10,000 steps every day plus go to
the gym 3-4 times a week.

PCOS, insulin resistance, perimenopause and anxiety medication have all contributed to my obesity plus unrelenting food noise.

but now I’m lovely and slim.

you are still uneducated though.

OMG, I always see obese people out walking their dogs! What a strange thing to say. As if obese people can't walk 😅

It's just an observation, I know they can walk I just never see obese people out walking their dogs!
Brisk daily walking and eating less really is effective so no need for injections.

Yeah thanks for that, why didn’t anyone suggest that before.

You really have no idea... I'm hiding this thread, there is no point wasting my time on idiots. And rude inconsiderate idiots at that.

Ha, now we have the obesity crisis solved! I wish you’d shared that with the world sooner @LadyTangerine! If only I’d known that eating less and moving more was the answer.

FFS. These terminally simplistic thought processes are just infuriating. We know that eating less and moving more is the solution. The issue is with successfully implementing that long term in order to see meaningful weight loss. Repeating that simplistic phrase does nothing to address the reasons why people find it hard to do. Neither does berating them for not having enough “willpower” or being lazy, or all the other variations on that.

May I take back my earlier post/ clearly a lot of very nastily judgemental people on here

Yes brisk daily walking and eating less is very effective....no one disputes that. What WLI do is help people to eat less for the huge myriad of reasons as to why that is difficult for obese people which have already been listed and discussed in depth on this thread.... Maintaining calorie deficit longterm which is required for continuous and sustained weightloss, is extremely difficult for people who are obese and not because they are fat, lazy, uneducated *insert other insult here...

Honestly there’s no hope of trying to get through to people who have absolutely zero understanding of the biology of obesity and its effects on hunger and satiety hormones and absolutely zero interest in learning about it.

That said, I admire those who try. Some great posts. Thank you too to everyone who has shared their personal WLI experiences. It’s so heartening to hear how many people’s lives have been improved.

Maybe because they have eaten their dogs.

I think its a great medication for those who have very high bmi (morbidly obese) or with medical conditions.

I am concerned is about people who are in the overweight or into the obese category - the side effects that could occur.

The lack of medical monitoring and control of this medication and support that should go with it

Iv noticed 'food noise' seems to be the new trendy word

Amazing. 🤩 🤩🤩

You are a genius.

LadyTangerine outsmarting everyone 😍

Is it outsmarting people to point out I walk our dog at least 3miles a day, different routes and pass a load of different dog walkers yet no obese ones?

I know it's inconvenient, I know WLIs are the new wonder drugs I'm just saying walk a bit, that's quite a good way of shifting the pounds too.

@Hankunamatata could you explain why you are concerned about side effects for people who are obese with a BMI of 30 to 40, so obese but not morbidly obese? What is it that concerns you that did not concern the decision making process of the MHRA? Ditto for people who are overweight, as they will only be accessing WLI if they have a BMI over 27 and have a weight related health condition.

What medical monitoring and control would you like to make mandatory, and what sort of "support" would you like to be required as well?

"Food noise" is a trend. It just describes the all consuming obsession with food that a lot of obese people have and find disappears when taking WLI. It's a fascinating revelation, so no wonder people try to find a way to describe it.

You seem very smart, yes.

@LadyTangerine do you really think obese people are so thick that they don't know that going for a walk would burn some calories??

I also know it’s inconvenient but even you have to admit you probably haven’t met every dog walker.

And, let’s just say you’re right (which you’re not) you will find plenty of people taking WLI so they can take pressure off their joints or have the knee replacement surgery of whatever it is that currently prevents them from being able to do that.

WHO recommend that weight loss jab should be administered with ongoing behavioural therapy as there is no guarantee what the long term outcomes will be.

I'd like every person who is using the jab to be provided with support per NICE guidelines. This is a medication afterall
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng246/resources/a-practical-guide-to-using-medicines-to-manage-overweight-and-obesity-15299628589/chapter/Diet-physical-activity-and-behavioural-approaches

@Hankunamatata do you want ongoing behavioural therapy to be compulsory? Or offered?

Online pharmacies do encourage people to move more, eat healthily etc alongside prescribing.

If I was required to have behavioural therapy and compulsory "support" in order to access WLI I would not be accessing them, as that would be incredibly intrusive, patronising, unnecessary and humiliating. And then I wouldn't have lost 11 stone.

This is brilliant, congratulations. I bet you feel great, look great and are beautiful inside because of your experience in both worlds.

I have another curveball for @Hankunamatata i do WIL and trauma therapy at the same time.

But I don't do dog walking, so I guess I loose a point (not pound).