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To think this article is misleading (re US low iq parents having kids taken away)?

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Carla786 · 01/01/2026 20:13

The recent thread on adoption made me look into these issues more, and I came across this article.

' Various people, including facilitators from a crisis-intervention non-profit and court-appointed special advocates (Casas), reported clumps of dog hair, dog feces on the pathway outside, cobwebs, stains on the carpet, and pungent smells of dog, dog urine and stale cigarette smoke. Their house was cluttered with empty cans of Rockstar energy drink, magazines and piles of old newspapers from Eric’s days working in the mailroom at The Bulletin, a newspaper in Bend.
Uncleanliness, if to a point where a caseworker deems the environment dangerous to the child, can be grounds to remove kids from parents with and without intellectual disabilities. However, a dirty home is more likely a marker of poverty – not neglect.
“In an upper middle-class neighborhood – suburban neighborhood – there will be some homes that are super messy and nobody cares,” said Christine Gottlieb, the director of the New York University School of Law’s family defense clinic. But “when a caseworker walks into a low-income Black neighborhood or an immigrant neighborhood where people don’t speak English and the home is not in good shape, often because of poverty, they’re assessed very differently”.'

If there was dog faeces on the path, and dog urine in the house, that seems to imply the dog may not have been properly housetrained. If so, this is not something you can't help if you're poor. I grew up poor. We sadly couldn't afford pets, but if we had, my mother would never have kept a pet if we were unable to housetrain them. Yes, I can see that if there are issues with a dog & housetraining, a wealthier couple might be able to afford more help. But if you have a child, they need to be the priority, and wrenching though it is, you may need to give up your dog if they are risking hygiene. If the dog was not housetrained, it raises the question of whether there were any other issues with behaviour, especially as a young child was present.

Stale cigarette smoke - again, poverty does not mean you have to smoke. I can see why people with SEN and in poverty might be under a lot of stress, but it's been known for a long time now that smoking is a hazard for children.

I agree with the articles points re poverty and SEN, that social workers may apply harsher standards to the poor, and unfairly take children from SEN parents. The use of IQ tests does seem questionable.

BT otoh, it does no one any favours to speak as if poverty means you can't help your house smelling of dog urine and cigarette smoke. If poor people are being judged for that but richer are not, the solution is to judge everyone equally rigorously, not lower basic standards.

And it feels like the article is skirting round the fact that low IQ MAY have been part of the issue. I can't comment on the cases in the article as a whole, but the instances I mentioned above sound less like a family without resources, and more like one where the parents may genuinely not have understood certain things were problems.

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Bringemout · 01/01/2026 20:30

From reading the article it’s clearly a case of parents being unable to adequately care for their kids. I think theres such an effort to be kind and well meaning to people that not enough consideration and kindness is offered to children. Even if a child iS neglected through ignorance rather than malice the child in question is still neglected and needs to be removed for their own safety.

Carla786 · 01/01/2026 20:32

Bringemout · 01/01/2026 20:30

From reading the article it’s clearly a case of parents being unable to adequately care for their kids. I think theres such an effort to be kind and well meaning to people that not enough consideration and kindness is offered to children. Even if a child iS neglected through ignorance rather than malice the child in question is still neglected and needs to be removed for their own safety.

That's what I thought....I mean, we don't know the full details. But that paragraph was certainly worrying..

It's sad to see that back in the early 2000s the Guardian took a still compassionate but much more children-first approach to this.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2005/aug/17/familyandrelationships.children

When love is not enough

Should social workers be allowed to take children into care simply because their parents have low IQs? It's rarely that straightforward, writes Yvonne Roberts.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2005/aug/17/familyandrelationships.children

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Carla786 · 01/01/2026 20:36

I think the use of IQ tests by. US states is concerning, and obviously we've recently heard of cases where the Greenlandic women had children wrongly taken away. The US has their own ugly history of black & Native American women being forcibly sterilised.

But I feel they're swinging too far the other way now. Eugenics is vile (and unluckily having a comeback among the Trump supporting New Right) but it is not racist/ableist/eugenicist to say that someone needs to be able to meet a child's basic needs and that low IQ may be a factor that makes that harder

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Carla786 · 01/01/2026 21:01

This 2011 Social Work Today article is interesting.

https://www.socialworktoday.com/archive/111511p14.shtml

I agree surely some people with low IQ cam be helped to parent. But social workers working with vulnerable adults need to remember that the child's wellbeing needs to be the ultimate priority.

Parenting With Intellectual Disabilities — Changing Times

National newsmagazine committed to enhancing the entire social work profession by exploring its difficult issues, new challenges, and current successes.

https://www.socialworktoday.com/archive/111511p14.shtml

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Carla786 · 01/01/2026 21:46

This reddit psychology thread is interesting. I think the fact the Guardian was reporting on a different country makes it extra likely they missed out important context.

https://www.reddit.com/r/psychology/s/LIyCEINKmL

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