To be really jealous of people who can afford weight loss injections?

[Charliede1182]

It seems like everyone and their dog is taking them, I personally know several people who are on them with significant and effortless weight loss, and I feel like there is becoming more and more of a disparity between those who can afford to buy themselves a smaller appetite and those who can't.

It's not just a social or cosmetic issue, it's about health equity.

In my case I don't want to lose weight for vanity or to cater to patriarchal beauty standards, I am comfortable and confident in my appearance and keen to model body positivity to my daughter.

However I am on the combined pill (for important medical reasons not contraception) and my weight is starting to threaten my ongoing access to this.

I am very fit, walk 5-8 miles a day, some of it with a weighted vest, gym 2-3 x weekly, resistance training, cook almost everything from scratch and although I am no angel I would say my diet is about 90% healthy.

I just don't feel full with small portions, it is an apparent mismatch between appetite and metabolism which is why I would love these injections to make me less hungry.

Even if I had the willpower to just eat less, being hungry all the time isn't a good quality of life and my attitude has always been I would rather enjoy myself and be a bit heavier than society thinks I should, than be thin and miserable.

Whilst I could probably get the money together for a couple of months of treatment, this is not how these drugs work, as people's appetite just comes roaring back if they stop, and then they can end up in a worse position having lost lean mass as well, so I would only go down this road if I could afford it longer term.

Just wondering if anyone else has Ozempic envy right now??!!!

If you want to do a comparison at least make it realistic.

It is not cheating. I watched my DH try and fail, it takes hard work, it motivates people but they need to put the work in. He didn’t do the work, so he didn’t get the results. At least now if you regained the weight you can use the jab.

That is the opposite to my experience. I have lost weight several times over and always returned to obese. Morbidly so in fact. I think it’s far to variable to say ‘this is what will happen’ - the factors invoked are so complex and individual that none of us know how we will respond post WLI until we get there. I pls to stay on it for as long as I possibly can. It’s changed my life in so many ways.

i do wonder often if there is a level of obesity beyond which keeping the weight off is harder as more damage has been done over a longer term though. I don’t know just a thought.

I am not envious of those taking drugs to suppress their appetite and lose muscle tone.

I’d genuinely love to know what is your motivation for your poorly informed posts on this thread if not envy? Why are you so bothered about other people making a choice which is hugely improving their health, wellbeing and happiness. Can you explain?

It’s tough.
in my Dsis case, she continued cooking low calorie foods and fake away curries, drinking water, she never wanted to return to eating as she did before, it’s a full lifestyle change.
like an alcoholic or drug addict, you cannot go back to the past habits or you’ll be in the same place.
I am delighted that it exists and is helping 1000’s of people.

And the problem for many is the power is as bad as an alcohol addiction. Which I also know about through personal experience.

Another day, another thinly veiled WLI bashing thread!
Lack of willpower. [tick]
The weight will come back [tick]
Worried abour muscle mass [tick]
Unfair. [tick]

Why are you referring to a drug for type 2 diabetes for weight loss? This is one of the reasons why people with type 2 diabetes have struggled to get it in the past! You should be looking at the ones licensed for weight loss not Ozempic.
Mounjaro may be more affordable and practical for you

Hi OP, I totally get it. I cannot take weight loss jabs because of a history of thyroid cancer. Ive been rejected by them all.

Im menopausal and literally cannot shift the the weight. I am about to move to a new job but my old job (until 2 weeks ago) had me doing 18 to 22000 steps a day. That was at work. I gym 6 days a week (on a programme including diet designed by a PT for weight and inch loss). I swim 40 lengths 3 x a week. On weekends I love to walk and do around 10 miles with a weighted vest.

I cook from scratch and limit what I eat. I feel constantly hungry and miserable. When I try to bulk the food out with plain/steamed/raw veg but often feel shaky and weak when I try to "diet" further than my normal.
Im at my wits end. All my friends are getting smaller. Never seemingly hungry or feeling weak and shaky. Im getting fatter , more depressed, more reclusive and my self esteem is on the floor. Im just an old washed up fat fuck, I literally cannot fit in any more exercise or see ways to reduce my meals. They're all so dull and plain and everything that passes my lips is weighed and written down. I feel so hungry all the time. I feel I exist not live tbh.
My user hame sums it up.

Eh?

😞 I’m so sorry to read this. Not much use but I’m sending you all my love and really feel your pain. X

No I’m not saying they’ve not been tested because I know they have - for use in diabetes and weight loss in severely overweight individuals who’s bodies are failing to function correctly with the huge amounts of insulin due to their weight. These people are prescribed it on the NHS. Not people who have no underlying health conditions, may be classed as overweight or obese but don’t have diabetes, high cholesterol or ischaemic heart disease.

I agree that these medications should be used. I’m a nurse so I know how dangerous it is for diabetic patients not to have control of their glucose levels. But I bet more than 80% of people taking it privately don’t even have pre diabetes. That’s where the risks lie.

I don’t think it’s wrong that there’s a divide. Private healthcare is essential and inevitably will be all we’ll know in years to come. I just don’t think weight loss injections should be so easily available when their intended for use in diabetes.
“FDA Approval: Approved for chronic weight management in adults with obesity or overweight with at least one weight-related condition (high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol)”

I bet the majority of people taking it don’t actually know what it’s doing to their bodies.

GLP-1 receptors aren’t just to do with digestion. They’re in the heart, kidneys, liver and the brain.

Not to have it prescribed for diabetes. If you want it prescribed for weightloss, you have to meet a lot of other conditions.

Yes. It 💯 is.
Like AA, OA is gaining a huge following to deal with over-eating. It’s tough so many emotions involved.

Because I would rather live in a society where we live healthily, exercise and eat nutritious food, rather than spend money on injecting us with medication to suppress our appetite and lose muscle mass.
Japan is a great example - you don’t see many overweight people there.

Well that's good for you. But many are getting it because they can and they are only slightly overweight its then more vanity than health concern.

@WorriedAboutArthur the FDA is the US drug authority, it’s the MHRA in the UK. Who approved it for people with a BMI of 30 plus, or a BMI of 27 plus with a weight related health condition. Or for some ethnicities from BMI 27 plus without a weight related health condition, as the definition of obese is lower for those ethnicities.

Mounjaro and Wegovy have both been tested for weight loss alone, not alongside diabetes. Individuals on those trials has BMIs of 27 and upwards. These medications are intended for weight loss, despite being originally developed to treat T2 diabetes. It is very common that medications developed to treat one condition are then further tested and licensed to treat additional conditions. It’s odd to think that’s wrong for one type of medication but not for others.

The information about what GLP1s do is easily available from prescribers, usually on their websites and in the information that’s sent. People are as aware as they are about any other medication that they take.

WLI are enabling many to live healthily, exercise and eat nutritious food. Why does this offend you?

The fact that Japan is so different surely suggests this obesity is not an individual motivation problem so cannot be solved at that level.

@MyLimeGuide if people are only slightly overweight they won’t be getting this medication legitimately prescribed. They are either buying something from the black market or they are actively and concertedly deceiving a legitimate supplier. Of course that would be a concern, just like it would be a concern if someone was buying other medication illegally. That’s nothing to do with the millions of people who are being legitimately prescribed this medication privately.

Well my sister easily got it online she had to provide no evidence of her weight, she lost 2 stone then stopped, the weight came back on immediately.

@MyLimeGuide so that’s a shit pharmacy who will eventually fail a GPhC inspection, or you could report them to the GPhC with the details of your sister’s fraudulent application. Or it wasn’t a legitimate site.

I’m not saying that people aren’t illegally acquiring POM like your sister did. I’m saying that they are. And that it’s not anything to do with the legitimate use of this medication. It can and should be dealt with via the existing regulators and authorities. They are dealing with it, albeit slower than perhaps they could.

I think the opposite. Its ENABLING unhealthy living. Then providing a quick fix solution to cancel out years of over indulging. It would be like if they offered us quick and easy liver replacements for alcoholism.

But it is out there, and it is avaliable, to anyone who wants it.

@MyLimeGuide and? If people want to be seriously reckless and get POM illegally then that is their individual action. They know they are acting unreasonably. We don’t stop people from accessing things legitimately because some people are stupid and reckless, and act illegally. The vast majority of people if they try to access a prescription online medication when they don’t qualify will realise that and not try to circumvent the rules.

It’s taken me 18 months to go from morbidly obese to at the top end of the healthy weight range. That’s not a quick fix. And why is it wrong that I can finally challenge years of being obese? Should “over indulging” be a reason to deny me good health permanently? Because I don’t deserve it, due to over indulging being a serious moral failing? What’s the logic here??

If it's over-indulgence rather than hormonal or medical, then surely you can turn that around without WLI?