Equality gone

[creeeepy]

Over the years many of us fought for equality for women.

Equal rights financially so we could have our own mortgages, bank accounts, credit cards and own our own property, to ensure our property wouldn’t become our husbands upon marriage.

Equal rights educationally so we could attend further education, be plumbers, be carpenters, barristers even judges - perhaps professors in universities

Equal rights sexually so we could be in control of our own bodies, rape could he reported whether in marriage or not, the right to contraception and abortion (whether you agree or not) it was not in control of anyone else but ourselves.

Equal rights in the workplace, so we could be paid the same money for doing exactly the same job, so our rights were the same as men, so that we didn’t have to leave our jobs when we married so we received the same pension at the same time as men (quite rightly for men who were penalised for many years)

so many things had to be fought for, they’re not all listed here

but now

Women aren’t even recognised as being deserving of
the right to their own changing rooms
the right to female own hospital wards
the right to female on female searches
the right to female only nurses/doctors
the right to their own female sports teams
the right to their own toilets.

etc.

AIBU to think equality for women has taken a HUGE backward step?

For context I’m a very happily married woman who thinks men are wonderful.

How is it anti-trans? Wanting to maintain women’s rights is not denying trans rights.

You’re fine with it but the vast majority of women are sadly sexually assaulted in their lifetime. To many of these survivors men are a threat. These women don’t want men in their single sex spaces thanks. Are you ok with saying to these women ‘shut up bigot. Your feelings don’t count!” Because that what it sounds like.

Part YABU, part YANBU.

Yes to single sex (biological) changing rooms, toilets, sports, etc.

But not to a right to have women doctors and nurses which I think is unreasonable except for gynae and other "women's" issues and GPs, certainly not for general health and care and not for any emergencies i.e. paramedics and A&E or urgent operations etc as it's simply unreasonable to have duplicated staff available on immediate call. But I also think men have the right for male doctors and nurses for non urgent/routine things too if they want it, i.e. male GP appointments rather than having to have a female especially for "male" issues like prostrate! It has to work both ways.

Hospital wards are different, again, definitely single sex for maternity and gynae wards obviously, but given the high demand and low supply of hospital beds, I think that some form of segregation is acceptable at busy times, i.e. males at one end of the ward, females at the other, with the nurses station in the middle etc., but certainly not shared clusters of 4/6 beds in smaller side rooms etc. In a perfect world, there'd be spare beds so that people could be admitted to a single sex ward, but in reality, a bed on a ward is better than a trolley in a corridor!

As someone who worked in what was previously a "male" dominated job (engineering), I spent a lot of time fighting to be treated as an equal. In one interview I even got asked if I'd be OK getting my nails dirty, and reminding I wouldn't be able to wear a skirt.

No one should be treated differently because of what they have between their legs.

What I do now hate, having fought for equal rights, is this obsession to "be" a gender, or gender neutral, or non binary etc... Why does it matter? Why can't people just be people? What is this obsession with having to have a label?? What is wrong with just being a kind human being?

I also have an issue with men in women’s spaces but i dont think this is predominantly a trans-issue.

There was a post on here recently about male partners staying overnight in maternity wards and a lot of posters thought that new mothers should just put up with the presence of other women’s partners because of father’s rights. Same with the communal changing villages at most council-run swimming pools - it’s to facilitate Dads taking their children swimming.

In a way, i think the trans-issue is a red herring - and is being used by men with a very bad agenda to deflect attention from male violence perpetrated by non-trans people . Most men who mock the feminist agenda are extremely anti-trans. The reality is that women’s safety is rarely prioritised over men’s convenience and this is the real issue.

THe UK Census 2021 Gender question data has been withdrawn
as the results were utter rubbish

the highest areas for Trans Identification were immigrant English as a Second Language.

Women and men are different.
Nobody can ever change from one to the other.
Accepting difference in an egalitarian manner
without the division caused by identity politics
should be the goal.

There is equal, everyone the same, and there is fair, everyone to their specific needs or to compensate for sth.

We fought very hard to be recognised as equal, to be seen as just people from a legal perspective. It was the first and most important battle for women's liberation.

But if we got there legally, socially, this approach has been a lot less successful and we are still failing at seeing it. Women's liberation has been like sexual liberation, we got rights and freedom but we do all the work and pay all the price.

I remember the gaslight of the 90s "why are you complaining about now you have the right to vote?", we should have understood better then because they were spelling it out loud.

We wanted to be equal, then equal we would be: no more efforts from the men, no more chivalry, no more special efforts for women because they are women, no more "fairness" (as in some measures to compensate for the facts women were living in a men's world)

And we even tried to go along with it, thinking it was progress to pay our own half of the bill and to forget about the whole man/woman thing and try to pretend we would start again like "homo novus/mulier nova" from scratch, not realising it was 1/ impossible 2/ that what women were getting on one side, they were losing it on the other.

I am no tradwife, I am not very girly, or even uxorious, I have always been a bit of a tomboy in my interests, I am very happy to have been born in a society where I was able to do more and different from the traditional expectations of being a woman.

But I have also seen that seeing ourselves as just "people" (with only a subset of sex-based rights) is not what happens. All my life, the treatment I have received was based on me being a woman. And like an idiot, I tried to make my way in this world like a "person", to make my sex irrelevant, neutral. Well, I wouldn t do it like that again.

I think we lose so much by trying to see ourselves as citizens with sex-based rights rather than women as a sex class, by seeing things only through the prism of equality rather than fairness or by thinking that laws are enough to change behaviours.

It is all rational, measured, scientific, reasonable etc, but it waters us down to nothing. No story, no vision. And it doesn't work.

We are women, we have the power to give life, we make the world go round practically and emotionally, on our heels and backwards, compared to men. And we are 52% of the population.

Women and girls should awake every morning thinking like that, infused with their own identity, their own vision, their sense of power.

Waking up like a "person" who is only trying to get her sex-based rights respected, it really doesn't carry the same dream... And it surely does not work any better.

How long has it taken for the GC movement to be heard? Way, way too long.

And why was that our only recourse was the courts? Because, to be brutally honest, we have no standing politically or socially as a sex class.

What exactly about women’s rights equate to “anti trans”?

I find it incredibly depressing that what little women carved out for ourselves in a male dominated world has so easily been taken away from us and handed back to men. Its shameful.

It’s all part of the same issue.

Couldn't agree more

This is NOT an anti-trans argument. It’s an anti-male argument. I have no problem sharing a toilet with trans-man (ie another woman).

The minute you allow one set of men into women’s safe spaces you let them all in. It’s the hole in the dam. Men, as a sex species, commit most of the sexual and violent crime. It’s perfectly logical and sensible to keep girls and women separate when they’re in a state where they’re vulnerable and undressed.

Why the government and institutions want to deny this is baffling. It’s just misogny in plain sight.