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Christmas guilt with toxic family... the cycle continues!

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MindfulHealing · 24/12/2025 10:33

I’m finding myself stuck in a cycle and I’m hoping others might relate/help.

As the risk of sounding 'airy fairy'... I’ve been 'healing' over the past few years and working on myself and cultivating a peaceful life.

I’ve started seeing my family dynamic much more clearly (much too late) and it hasn’t been easy. I'm 37. A decade ago; I was physically assaulted by a sibling and ended up in hospital. My lip was busted so much that it blocked my nose and I had nail marks in my face. My head was slammed into a wardrobe. (I was often assaulted by her, but this time was out of nowhere - genuinely). What hurt almost as much as the assault itself was my parents’ response: they were more concerned about it not being reported or 'getting out' than about my safety. They looked at my face and said: '"Uhm... nothing some make up can't cover up...?" They threatened to cut me off if I ever reported it to the Police - which is what I wanted to do. That sibling is still treated like gold. She's married with kids now - and I am not. I think she is treated like gold because they are scared of her. My brother later told me it was because she had a 'rage disorder' and was on medication for it apparently. He now denies ever saying this, which is utterly mental. I learned early on that I was the one expected to cope quietly.

Now, a decade later - contact with my parents still feels wrong in ways that are hard to ignore. I played nice because they are my parents and getting old.

Every time I go over there, they make me fix stuff for them - which is fine I guess since it’s something I can do. But I feel like I am there only for 'tech support'.

My mother then calls me into the kitchen/shuts the door and starts quietly bitching about my father. Or trying to have secret conversations. She will call me into the kitchen under the guise to ‘help’ her but it’s actually all a ruse. She pulls me into the conservatory and does the same. If she doesn’t want to speak out loud; she will type something into her Apple Notes folder and show it to me quietly so I have to read it. I don’t want to go there if there’s a chance I may be alone with her.

When I invited them out to a neutral place last time where my friends were too; she asked if I wanted to go home with them back to the family home - even though I don’t live with them - and even though the place we were at was ten mins from my place. So for me to go back with them; it would take me far away from my own home. She then slowly dragged her feet and my father had to pull her away. I dislike her and her manipulative ways. The only way I could ever be around them; is if I’m never alone with them in their own home - and if I have a witness as well as a camera/mic recording of everything.

As I’ve started setting boundaries; especially distancing myself from the family home; something strange happens... At first, I feel calm and relieved, like I’ve finally done the right thing. Then the guilt arrives. I start questioning myself: Am I being too harsh? Am I overreacting? Am I a bad daughter? Eventually, that guilt pulls me back in… and the same patterns repeat.

Logically, I can see what’s going on. Emotionally, it’s much harder. Healing has helped me recognise the dysfunction, but it’s also brought up this deep, automatic guilt whenever I choose myself instead of keeping the peace.

I guess I’m wondering: for those of you who’ve stepped back from unhealthy family dynamics, how did you deal with the guilt after setting boundaries? How did you stop it from dragging you back into the same cycle?

This is especially hard as it's Christmas. I am not seeing them and staying in my own home solo.

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follygirl · 24/12/2025 10:53

My mil is a narcissist and her husband enables her behaviour. We used to have to tread carefully around her and ‘perform’. If we weren’t up to her standards we were ‘spoiling things’. She wanted her family to be like the ‘Dolmio’ family but in truth none of her children liked each other as they were too busy scoring points off each other so that they would please their mum. There was a lot of gaslighting too.
Eventually my husband had enough and went NC. As a result all his siblings have broken contact with him and as an extension our whole family, including our children. I find it so bizarre that his my in-laws want nothing to do with their grandchildren just because their son, has refused contact. They only live 20 minutes away and our ‘kids’ have cars so it wouldn’t be hard for them to be invited over.
I know my husband worries about how he will feel when they die but in my opinion he would be mourning the idea of a good parent instead of what he actually got.

MindfulHealing · 24/12/2025 10:55

follygirl · 24/12/2025 10:53

My mil is a narcissist and her husband enables her behaviour. We used to have to tread carefully around her and ‘perform’. If we weren’t up to her standards we were ‘spoiling things’. She wanted her family to be like the ‘Dolmio’ family but in truth none of her children liked each other as they were too busy scoring points off each other so that they would please their mum. There was a lot of gaslighting too.
Eventually my husband had enough and went NC. As a result all his siblings have broken contact with him and as an extension our whole family, including our children. I find it so bizarre that his my in-laws want nothing to do with their grandchildren just because their son, has refused contact. They only live 20 minutes away and our ‘kids’ have cars so it wouldn’t be hard for them to be invited over.
I know my husband worries about how he will feel when they die but in my opinion he would be mourning the idea of a good parent instead of what he actually got.

@follygirl "I know my husband worries about how he will feel when they die but in my opinion he would be mourning the idea of a good parent instead of what he actually got."

This quote got me right in the chest. Sending love.

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NotAnotherScarf · 24/12/2025 11:05

Thank you for your post. I am so so near finally going ballistic with my sil (and her enabling mother who is lovely but has never done anything to stop her bad behaviour...sil is 70 now so it's way too late). But it's nowhere near the situation you are in.

Firstly well done for realising that they are the problem not you.
Secondly well done for starting to stick up for yourself.

My partner doesn't and accepts that this is the way it is... thankfully sil is seen as being ridiculous and pathetic.

You need to consider where you go next. Do you cut off or limit contact or accept this is the dynamic and risk further assault?

I bet your sister still expects Christmas presents for her and the kids...think about that for a second... someone who actually attacked you so you require hospital attention expecting a gift.

MindfulHealing · 24/12/2025 11:15

NotAnotherScarf · 24/12/2025 11:05

Thank you for your post. I am so so near finally going ballistic with my sil (and her enabling mother who is lovely but has never done anything to stop her bad behaviour...sil is 70 now so it's way too late). But it's nowhere near the situation you are in.

Firstly well done for realising that they are the problem not you.
Secondly well done for starting to stick up for yourself.

My partner doesn't and accepts that this is the way it is... thankfully sil is seen as being ridiculous and pathetic.

You need to consider where you go next. Do you cut off or limit contact or accept this is the dynamic and risk further assault?

I bet your sister still expects Christmas presents for her and the kids...think about that for a second... someone who actually attacked you so you require hospital attention expecting a gift.

@NotAnotherScarf So sorry to hear about your experience. I hope this Christmas isn't a painful one for you.

I don't see all of them together, to be clear. I've only seen her once since the assault. I decided to 'play nice' with my parents - since they are my parents, but they continue to deny it ever happened and still treat ME badly at worst - and like a lackey at best, yet my sibling gets treated like gold. As above, I think it is out of fear.

My mother around her grandchildren is this 'sweet little granny' but around me... she sees me an emotional dumping ground. She uses me an an outlet for all her problems, but wouldn't dare try it with my sibling as she wouldn't put up with it for a second. When I tell her I am not interested in hearing about her problems/negativity/her issues with my father - she starts to cry and says she has 'no one'.

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Netcurtainnelly · 24/12/2025 11:17

MindfulHealing · 24/12/2025 10:33

I’m finding myself stuck in a cycle and I’m hoping others might relate/help.

As the risk of sounding 'airy fairy'... I’ve been 'healing' over the past few years and working on myself and cultivating a peaceful life.

I’ve started seeing my family dynamic much more clearly (much too late) and it hasn’t been easy. I'm 37. A decade ago; I was physically assaulted by a sibling and ended up in hospital. My lip was busted so much that it blocked my nose and I had nail marks in my face. My head was slammed into a wardrobe. (I was often assaulted by her, but this time was out of nowhere - genuinely). What hurt almost as much as the assault itself was my parents’ response: they were more concerned about it not being reported or 'getting out' than about my safety. They looked at my face and said: '"Uhm... nothing some make up can't cover up...?" They threatened to cut me off if I ever reported it to the Police - which is what I wanted to do. That sibling is still treated like gold. She's married with kids now - and I am not. I think she is treated like gold because they are scared of her. My brother later told me it was because she had a 'rage disorder' and was on medication for it apparently. He now denies ever saying this, which is utterly mental. I learned early on that I was the one expected to cope quietly.

Now, a decade later - contact with my parents still feels wrong in ways that are hard to ignore. I played nice because they are my parents and getting old.

Every time I go over there, they make me fix stuff for them - which is fine I guess since it’s something I can do. But I feel like I am there only for 'tech support'.

My mother then calls me into the kitchen/shuts the door and starts quietly bitching about my father. Or trying to have secret conversations. She will call me into the kitchen under the guise to ‘help’ her but it’s actually all a ruse. She pulls me into the conservatory and does the same. If she doesn’t want to speak out loud; she will type something into her Apple Notes folder and show it to me quietly so I have to read it. I don’t want to go there if there’s a chance I may be alone with her.

When I invited them out to a neutral place last time where my friends were too; she asked if I wanted to go home with them back to the family home - even though I don’t live with them - and even though the place we were at was ten mins from my place. So for me to go back with them; it would take me far away from my own home. She then slowly dragged her feet and my father had to pull her away. I dislike her and her manipulative ways. The only way I could ever be around them; is if I’m never alone with them in their own home - and if I have a witness as well as a camera/mic recording of everything.

As I’ve started setting boundaries; especially distancing myself from the family home; something strange happens... At first, I feel calm and relieved, like I’ve finally done the right thing. Then the guilt arrives. I start questioning myself: Am I being too harsh? Am I overreacting? Am I a bad daughter? Eventually, that guilt pulls me back in… and the same patterns repeat.

Logically, I can see what’s going on. Emotionally, it’s much harder. Healing has helped me recognise the dysfunction, but it’s also brought up this deep, automatic guilt whenever I choose myself instead of keeping the peace.

I guess I’m wondering: for those of you who’ve stepped back from unhealthy family dynamics, how did you deal with the guilt after setting boundaries? How did you stop it from dragging you back into the same cycle?

This is especially hard as it's Christmas. I am not seeing them and staying in my own home solo.

You should have gone to the Police.

MindfulHealing · 24/12/2025 11:49

Netcurtainnelly · 24/12/2025 11:17

You should have gone to the Police.

Indeed.

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Owly11 · 24/12/2025 11:59

Guilt or resentment, you choose. I choose guilt every time - it soon dissipates when I remember what this person did to me over the years - a lot worse than me pulling back. And they don't seem to feel a shred of guilt for what they did.

follygirl · 24/12/2025 13:19

My husband was in the same situation. She bombarded him with messages about how he was her rock and how much she valued their relationship. The irony was that it was only by toeing the line did she think they had a special relationship. We’ve been NC for 6 years now and although it’s all still painful for my husband, he feels relieved that he made the decision.
You could argue that you should look after your parents as they are getting older and that they raised you etc, but how about thinking that you didn’t ask to be born and that they owe you for a crappy childhood and adulthood.
Im so proud that my husband put himself first for once, I hope you find whatever works for you. I know sometimes it’s easier to capitulate as that is what you have been conditioned to do.

Rainbow1101 · 25/12/2025 17:59

I had a very similar situation and now keep minimal contact with my mother and sister. By “minimal” I really mean almost none, even at Christmas. I do still feel guilty at times, but at 34 I’ve learned that it’s my responsibility to protect my mental health and prioritise calm and peace. I would rather feel lonely sometimes than continue putting myself in situations that hurt me.

Sophabulous · 25/12/2025 18:25

Totally feel for you OP. I exist in an incredibly dysfunctional family and unfortunately have had to move back in here since my taste in men is skewed to say the least and after 2 incidents involving the police it was taken out of my hands. It’s very hard, I’ve had a lot of therapy. I find that just calmly pointing out the issue whatever it is with absolutely NO emotion has worked well for me and does boost my confidence. For example one member of my immediate family is incredibly critical and harsh despite doing nothing around the house and actually being cruel to his wife who makes all his meals and does his laundry etc etc. I’ll just say something when confronted like “can you tell me the last time you spoke to me and it wasn’t barking a command or a criticism?”

they immediately get defensive and you just stay calm and composed. My therapist has helped me a lot with this and it’s really illustrated to me how much they are projecting and it’s possible to resist without being at all the bad guy.

God speed, it’s not easy and is a process but your confidence is can only grow and again there’s no need for hostility, measured questions that make them reflect on their words or actions are key in my dynamic. And if it’s something I’m being asked my advice/opinion on for the 1000th time I just refuse to engage politely because they never listen.

it is wearing I know, but the boundaries have to be enforced rigorously if you want changes to stick. They’ll get used to it eventually!

Tistheseason17 · 25/12/2025 18:37

I totally hear you.
My sister was exceptionally violent, took drugs, stole from me - but my mother sided with her.
When she trained as a MH nurse I knew this was more for herself than patients - but I am hopeful this has helped her. She tried to have a conversation with me about "letting the past go". There is nothing worse than an abuser saying this. I still believe i stayed in an abusive relationship with a chap because I had been used to someone who loved me hurting me.
Anyway - I dropped them all. NC all of them.
I grieved the relationships I wished I had - the one that friends had shown me was possible with their siblings and parents.
I started to love myself and set boundaries about what I deserved.
This changed my life. I met a wonderful man and 23 yrs later we have 2 DC and I've never been happier. I still have moments where I look them up on Facebook, but then I remember that nothing online is real. Seeking their approval is only going to end in tears for you - you do not need anyone's approval.

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