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Tw to wonder why people who call for help after attempting to take their own lives

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Funtimes888 · 12/12/2025 23:44

Are seen as less serious than people who don’t call for help as surely people midset is still and

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Mayflower282 · 12/12/2025 23:45

Seen by who? 🤨

tinybeautiful · 12/12/2025 23:46

Is this a goady post or are you genuinely asking? I'm happy to explain the science if you're not just being a twat.

Funtimes888 · 12/12/2025 23:48

tinybeautiful · 12/12/2025 23:46

Is this a goady post or are you genuinely asking? I'm happy to explain the science if you're not just being a twat.

No I’ve had this experience myself and felt unbellived

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Funtimes888 · 12/12/2025 23:48

Mayflower282 · 12/12/2025 23:45

Seen by who? 🤨

Medical professionals mainly

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XenoBitch · 12/12/2025 23:49

I have been there.
Sometimes you reach a mini epiphany. When the view beyond your toes is the ground 20 metres below, it can jolt your mind. But you still feel like you want the pain to end. So you reach out.

The help is mixed. Sometimes it is dismissive, sometimes it is amazing.

OwlBeThere · 12/12/2025 23:54

Well the obvious reason people might think that way, is that someone who doesn’t ask for help is much more likely to succeed and it seems more like they ‘mean it’.
The trouble is that people tend to want to look at things in a logical way…but there isn’t much logical about suicidal ideation. That’s not how it works, and anyone who makes an attempt on their life clearly needs help.
Unfortunately mental heath services are strained to breaking point, and I also think a lot of people who work in MH have compassion fatigue and often their own demons meaning people’s ‘cry for help’ falls through the cracks.

I hope you are safe currently @Funtimes888 ?

PurpleLovecats · 12/12/2025 23:57

It’s definitely a view taken by mental health professionals and is quite dangerous. For example, people with personality disorders are thought by MH teams to garner attention by threatening suicide, however they also have a higher level of suicide than “regular” people.
Just attempting such a thing is evidence of severe distress and should be treated seriously, Sadly it isn’t though.

Funtimes888 · 12/12/2025 23:58

OwlBeThere · 12/12/2025 23:54

Well the obvious reason people might think that way, is that someone who doesn’t ask for help is much more likely to succeed and it seems more like they ‘mean it’.
The trouble is that people tend to want to look at things in a logical way…but there isn’t much logical about suicidal ideation. That’s not how it works, and anyone who makes an attempt on their life clearly needs help.
Unfortunately mental heath services are strained to breaking point, and I also think a lot of people who work in MH have compassion fatigue and often their own demons meaning people’s ‘cry for help’ falls through the cracks.

I hope you are safe currently @Funtimes888 ?

Yes I’m all good thank you x

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Ladyluckinred · 12/12/2025 23:59

In my experience, I don’t take anyone less seriously because they reach out for help. I’m very grateful and I understand they sit in a very painful situation where they may not want to die but they also may not know how to live. Your original post isn’t complete, OP. Was there more you wanted to add?

The NHS needs a lot of work with regards to MH. My own family members have received some terrible advice/lack of support. You might find charities have more capacity, training and ultimately compassion for what you/someone you know, is going through.

tinybeautiful · 13/12/2025 00:04

Okay.

So we all (mentally ill or not) have a 'window of tolerance'. You can look up illustrations of this but image three sections. The middle section is our tolerance window - where things feel okay, we might have ups and downs a bit but even when we do, they feel within our control and we manage and can cope with them.

The top section is called 'hyperarousal' - where things feel out of your control and you might become angry, distressed, anxious, self-sabotaging, harmful etc. The bottom section is called 'hypoarousal'. In this space you'll become disconnected, detached, numbed out.

All of us will have those sections in different sizes. Someone whose life experiences have set them up to have a lot of emotional resilience will have a big central tolerance window, and good coping strategies for when they are knocked outside of that window. Someone who has had more challenges may find themselves falling outside of that middle window a lot, and/or not having strong strategies for returning to that middle window when they've fallen out of it.

The reason that many people will seek help when they have attempted to end their lives is because they will have made that attempt whilst dysregulated - either hyper or hypoaroused. They very much meant it in the moment. But the act itself has then brought them back into their window of tolerance or closer to it, which gives you a 'back to your senses' moment of realisation. When in your window of tolerance, you seek support to continue living. The goal for anyone struggling with harm or suicidal ideation is to find strategies that give a similar shock, but without the bodily harm.

Other people might use self-injury as a way to demonstrate their need for attention and care, as they haven't received consistent support in formative times and as such use unhealthy but successful manipulation strategies. We are all manipulative as humans, and we all manipulate people all the time - but the people who are doing it noticeably are actually doing it badly because it is noticeable, if that makes sense. The skilled manipulators amongst us receive care and love through their refined skills. Those without opportunity to have practised help-seeking and asking for support in healthy relationships will need support to seek in ways that doesn't harm themselves to do so.

Some professionals haven't received the right training, or our burnt out, or are just arseholes. But I work in NHS mental health care and far more than not genuinely wish the best for their patients.

MarmaladeSandwichUnderMyHat · 13/12/2025 00:05

tinybeautiful · 12/12/2025 23:46

Is this a goady post or are you genuinely asking? I'm happy to explain the science if you're not just being a twat.

Wow, what an aggressive response. Please work on your reading comprehension skills before posting such a nasty comeback. Though as a senior clinician in acute psychiatric liaison I’d love to hear your ‘science.’
OP, sorry to hear that this has been your experience and hope you are safe and well.

Funtimes888 · 13/12/2025 00:07

MarmaladeSandwichUnderMyHat · 13/12/2025 00:05

Wow, what an aggressive response. Please work on your reading comprehension skills before posting such a nasty comeback. Though as a senior clinician in acute psychiatric liaison I’d love to hear your ‘science.’
OP, sorry to hear that this has been your experience and hope you are safe and well.

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You sound nice though sadly my worse experiences have been with liaison teams and inpatient units

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XenoBitch · 13/12/2025 00:09

@Funtimes888 do you have a diagnosis of BPD/EUPD? You don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable.

Friendlygingercat · 13/12/2025 00:54

As ex colleague of mine took his life. He did it in a way that was carefully and meticulously planned to that the would not be found and revived. Committing suicide in this way is rarer. About one third to one half of suicide attempts involve some planning.

Most people do not actually want to die. They just want the pain to end.

BusterGonad · 13/12/2025 03:08

@Funtimes888your post isn't finished, it doesn't make any sense.

Boomer55 · 13/12/2025 17:45

Attention seeking I guess. They want help but can’t get it.

everdine · 13/12/2025 17:50

Men are more likely to succeed in suicide and women are more likely to attempt it. Often it is a cry for help with a lot of women and the methods they use are not as lethal.

Dominoeffecter · 13/12/2025 17:55

I hate the expression ‘committing suicide’ 😓

XenoBitch · 13/12/2025 18:13

Dominoeffecter · 13/12/2025 17:55

I hate the expression ‘committing suicide’ 😓

Agreed. It seems to be a throwback to when it was crime and something that was committed. I think 'completed' suicide sounds a bit better.
I can't be doing with all the woke "un-alived" shite that gets bandied about nowadays. It is like suicide is a rude word that needs to be censored.

Dominoeffecter · 13/12/2025 18:18

im ok with took their own lives, I hate unalived and one other expression I won’t repeat because it might upset people.

everdine · 13/12/2025 18:19

Dominoeffecter · 13/12/2025 18:18

im ok with took their own lives, I hate unalived and one other expression I won’t repeat because it might upset people.

Same or killed themselves.

Leopardsandcheetahsarefast · 13/12/2025 18:23

I personally take it really seriously. The support for feeling low / suicidal in the UK is woeful.

However I have a mother who used to threaten suicide once a fortnight I found eventually after 40 years that non response in any way was the best way

Dominoeffecter · 13/12/2025 18:31

Leopardsandcheetahsarefast · 13/12/2025 18:23

I personally take it really seriously. The support for feeling low / suicidal in the UK is woeful.

However I have a mother who used to threaten suicide once a fortnight I found eventually after 40 years that non response in any way was the best way

That must have been very difficult 💐

mama149 · 13/12/2025 19:54

XenoBitch · 13/12/2025 00:09

@Funtimes888 do you have a diagnosis of BPD/EUPD? You don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable.

That was my first thought. I've read in the past that there is the perception that people with EUPD often make many non serious attempts at suicide for attention and so are frequently not taken seriously. Sadly research suggests 5 - 10% will actually end up dying from suicide. I think though that if too much support is given then it can encourage suffers to make more attempts - so it is probably difficult to balance.

If you do have EUPD then DBT is supposed to be the best treatment OP. Anyway I'm sorry you haven't felt like you've been treated properly and hope you get the help you deserve soon.

mama149 · 13/12/2025 19:59

Leopardsandcheetahsarefast · 13/12/2025 18:23

I personally take it really seriously. The support for feeling low / suicidal in the UK is woeful.

However I have a mother who used to threaten suicide once a fortnight I found eventually after 40 years that non response in any way was the best way

I think that would be fairly typical behaviour with EUPD, and is why professionals try not to give too much attention.

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