To still be stunned that The Royals were close with Jimmy Savile?

[ThatCleverExpert]

It still blows my mind that the Royal Family had such a long-standing relationship with Jimmy Savile. Prince Charles sought his advice multiple times and he was treated like some kind of national treasure, even given access to hospitals and prisons.

Meanwhile, this was a man who was later exposed as a prolific predator - someone who abused vulnerable people, including children and even corpses in hospital mortuaries.
How did nobody see it? How was he so protected? And how was someone like that allowed so close to people in power?

I know it was a different time but AIBU to think the whole thing is still just horrifying?

Agreed. It wasn’t just the Royals by any means. There are questions to answer of all the Establishment where Saville in particular is concerned - the police, the Government of the day, the BBC, hospitals etc. it’s so difficult to believe now.

"How did nobody see it?"

You've answered your own question. The royals were hoodwinked the same as everyone else. Why are you singling them out for attention?

Your posts appear to be excusing and downplaying the Windsor links with pedophiles .

It was not just Saville . It’s many more . Plus active pedophiles among the Windsor family and protected by them .

Oh I see .

There a few posts above all saying that the Windsors were ‘hoodwinked’

Okay. I see what’s happening here .
You are fooling no one .

This sums it up

What link are you talking about

a family that has sexual predators/those that sexually abuse teenagers and children as family members

well that is quite a few families … more that we care to accept

Posters saying the Royals were hoodwinked are postulating either that the Secret Services were unaware that Savile had a police record dating back to the 1950s (which is ludicrous ).

OR that the SS were aware but kept this info from the Royals and allowed them to freely and very regularly fraternise with a sadistic paedophile . Why ?

OR the Royals themselves were aware but believed the regular society of this charmless creature was worth overlooking his repulsive history . Why ?

Because he had friends who could manipulate information not sure anyone has said there was no reports on him.

even now information is not always joint up imagine then when it was all paper work and how easy it is to go missing and at a times when concerns and complaints from non senior members of staff were not always taken seriously

im not sure what people are implying that it was ok with members of the royal family as only the ordinary people were harmed

I and many , many other professionals reported Saville ( and others ) over 5 decades .
We were motivated by knowing children in care were being seriously abused & many disappeared .
You are seriously suggesting ALL that paperwork went missing . 5 decades worth ? No one in power acted . He was protected ..Why ?

No I am not suggesting all went missing I’m suggesting information was withheld at times, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if some went missing and didn’t always reach the people it should

we know that he was questioned soon before his death and it didn’t go any further many still wouldn’t have believed it until there was absolute proof this is especially true around rape and sexual abuse sadly even when children are involved

its a travesty and shameful that he got away with the many crimes he committed and with manipulating so many but I do not think the royals were colluding with him, I think many have questions to answer, he was protected because they will be involved (sexual predators not only seek the most vulnerable but also people like themselves) or he had other information on them

we could ask how could someone as intelligent as Louis Theroux (and by this time it went beyond a few rumours of being a bit of a creep) be taken in by him but it happened

Is that a question or a statement? Either way it's ridiculous.

I’m not sure why you are targeting just the royal family
Jeffrey Epstein was friendly with lots of world wide politicians and saville was friendly with politicians too.

RolF Harris had a kids show and was a favourite of the BBC.

The royals are associated with many more pedophiles than Saville .

We also pay the Windsors half a billion a year plus the 50 million they take from the Duchies. Plus they are above the law due to their privileged position and they are head of a state religion !

Perhaps , regarding the Louis Theroux programme , it should be asked why the BBC allowed such a disingenuous programme to be broadcast when they had received so many complaints regarding Savile’s abuse by both victims and the medical professionals & social workers who had worked with them .

On the Wiki page on Savile the BBC laughably state they had no record of anyone reporting him prior to his death .
Countless did , including me .

If you had information from a senior medical professional regarding horrific abuse of a ten year old in care involving one of your presenters , wouldn’t you , at the very least , reply to them ?
Consider the possibility that Savile didn’t act alone . That he was protected . That child abuse , used as a blackmail weapon, pollutes the upper echelons of our society & that ‘ordinary’ people can do nothing about it . That it is very dangerous to doggedly try . Child abuse is not an historic thing , left in the 1970s .
Vulnerable children are actually more poorly protected now than they were back then . I played a very small part in setting up the Parliamentary Enquiry into Elite Paedophile Rings of 10 years ago and watched the means by how it was made ineffectual.
I’m leaving the thread now but this story is far from being ‘Savile gave us the creeps but there was no proof ‘ but rather that , in the face of multiple accusations & testimony the creature was protected by all the institutions in which we place our faith .

The royals are associated with many more pedophiles than Saville

Lord Louis Mountbatten being one himself - both a member of the Royal Family and a child abuser.

I do not think anyone would dispute that more questions need to be asked and more importantly should have been asked and further prosecutions could still happen, I very much doubt they will and that is shameful in the very least

Yeah sure - questions need to to be asked ….
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr1djewxko.amp

Except if you are a Windsor, right ?

And we have our head of state who is protecting his sex offending, friend to Epstein brother .

A fish rots from the head .

It is not at all surprising - but still deeply disappointing - that the investigation into Andrew's action has come to nothing. He has really faced no consequences at all apart from the pretend 'stripping' of his titles.

So the King thinks it is an appropriate consequence for his brother merely to be reduced to the rank of a 'commoner'. It is actually insulting to us all, the assumption that his being the same status as the rest of us is some terrible punishment.

No I wouldn’t say Windsors should be let off at all or anyone should be let off

I wouldn’t deny Andrew has been protected

Exactly .

Andrew has been shown to be above the law.
There is no hiding it .

And it is nothing new for the Windsors .

Very well put. I agree entirely.

Once again we're taken for mugs and patsies 😡

What do you think Charles knew he raped children but as long as it wasn’t children he was close to it didn’t matter. He may have heard of the rumours (I’m sure he did) but having been charmed by him and fooled by his persona came to the conclusion (as many did) that he was just a bit weird and an eccentric and there was also the run that he was gay which certainly helped JS hide himself even more

I am absolutely not accusing Charles of anything here, BUT how can you know him so well on a personal basis that you can be certain that he doesn't also share any of the same proclivities as JS - the same as anybody whom you don't know could do?

Simply being royal doesn't automatically make him morally any better (or worse) - and thus beyond reproach - than a bin man from Rhyl. That said, if he were that way minded, he would have magnitudes more opportunities to get up to no good and to cover it up, be protected and pay people off than Rhys from Rhyl could ever dream of.

you are right he absolutely could be, as could the nice GP or our child’s teacher, working with sex offenders I am well aware of how they can hide themselves and also how they can apt some can be at making people like them (not all as they are individuals but yet to meet one that isn’t highly manipulative)

but I do believe the majority of people finding out the extent of the reports over JS and knowing this went beyond rumours would not want to be around him that why I believe and I don’t really understand how/why he was able to be in the position he was and this wasn’t just his doing was because information was often held back

and as for seeing the royals morally superior that’s laughable given the last 40 years of news that I can remember of them (actually I’m in support of becoming a republic but that’s a different discussion)