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Really long - sibling checked out of DS1s life and now seems to want back in

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tothestarswholisten · 03/12/2025 23:08

I’ve been writing this post in my notes app for the best part of a week now but I think I need some outside voices on it before I can put it to bed/move forward and I don’t really have anyone IRL to talk to about it. Not sure if it’s an AIBU or more of an AIO but I’m sure you’ll tell me. Get a brew because it’s a long one!

A few years ago after a previous miscarriage my DS1 was born. My younger sibling was besotted with him. Having never really had a close relationship I thought this would be our chance to finally have a bond. They would message and ask for photos constantly, albeit the messages were addressed to DS1 rather than me 😂 Would spoil him with gifts and would visit us with DM often and take lots of photos of/with him. There was some aspect of sibling treating DS1 like an accessory, like a handbag dog of sorts. It became apparent that every interaction with him was being shared on social media and all the gestures started to feel empty, as if they were using my DS1 for likes and to make themselves appear a certain way to others. Sibling would want to take him out for the day, without me or anyone else present, but didn’t want to change any nappies or learn how to put the car seat into the car, or how to put the pram up and down, so ultimately I had to say no.

A few years later I fell pregnant again with DS2. The pregnancy was horrific and I was assigned to mental health midwife for pregnancy related anxiety and had weekly appointments with her. I realised that I was the one making all of the effort with my family, I was the one making the plans, booking events, paying for everything, running around and bending to everyone else’s schedule/will. With this on top of the pregnancy anxiety and a very stressful day job I decided to go into the new year with my own family unit in mind, and made the decision to only make efforts with people that did the same for me. I stopped being the one to text/call/visit people first. DM and sibling quickly fell off the face of the earth, I would go weeks without seeing/speaking to them. Bear in mind my mental health was in the toilet and I was irrationally terrified of losing my baby.

Fast forward to a Friday night in spring, I was in hospital due to concerns over the baby’s heartbeat at a midwife appointment. Unbeknownst to me DM had an accident in public which required an ambulance to a&e. The first I heard of this was late afternoon the next day (Saturday) from my DF (divorced from DM years ago). I immediately called DM to find out what had happened, what hospital she was in, what could I bring etc. She told me she was fine, there was no need to panic and she was being discharged in a few hours so would see me in the morning.

DP then decided to reveal to me that DM had organised a surprise baby shower for me on the following day (Sunday). I was devastated, I had had a surprise baby shower with my first and for various reasons it was awful. I had been very vocal about not wanting another, and certainly not a surprise one at that. I realise this sounds very ungrateful but it’s hard to understand why without going into too much detail but suffice to say when my DP told me the night before I sat and cried for hours before the panic set in over being heavily pregnant with nothing to wear.

The morning of the baby shower arrives, after a good nights sleep I was feeling more positive about it and had found something to wear that still fit around the bump. We (DP, DS1 and I) arrive at the venue, the car park is empty. My DF was inside with his 2 sisters and my MIL & PIL. There was also a handful of my work friends there (I was in charge of our site so they were all members of my teams). I thought we were early, we weren’t. DM and sibling hadn’t thought to invite people. I was expecting DM to surprise me from a corner but DF told me she was still in hospital. I asked where sibling was, DF said they were there earlier to set up, were in a foul mood and left shortly after. I asked DF why sibling was upset, he said they were annoyed I left DM lay on the pavement in the town centre until midnight on a Friday and couldn’t even be bothered to call. I explained I was unaware anything had happened until the following day, and also that I was in hospital myself at the time anyway. DF said not to worry about it and enjoy the shower.

I sat with my co-workers (invited by my DP) and they proceeded to tell me that they had arrived early, seen sibling setting up, offered a hand and were basically told to eff off, and that sibling had had some sort of row with DF that left him in tears. I have never been so embarrassed in my life. These are people I work with day in day out, I’m well respected in my job and I was so humiliated that they not only had to witness that interaction but also that they were the only ones at my baby shower with a couple of family members, no other friends or family. What must they have thought of me? I broke down in tears. People made their excuses to leave and the whole thing was over in less than an hour.

Later that day I visited DM in the hospital, MIL made a huge picnic with the buffet food for her so I took that with me. That was the extent of our conversation about the event.

That evening I received a message from sibling telling me how much of a monster I am, that I am happy to cut people out of my child’s life if they don’t pander to my every whim. All manner of horrible things. It took everything in me not to reply and we haven’t spoken a word to each other since. Sibling did not speak to DF for months either and their relationship is still strained now.

DS1 would constantly ask about sibling, when he could see them, could he FaceTime etc. It took a really long time for him to forget - he was only 3 at the time.

It’s now 2.5 years later. DS1 recently went to Grandma’s house and saw sibling there. (Sibling lives with DM but will usually go out if we are coming over or stay in their room if it’s a quick visit/DS1 is there without us.) For some reason on this occasion sibling decided to interact. Only hello, how’s school that kind of thing but DS1 is now intrigued who this person that lives with Grandma is and wants to go round at every opportunity. This weekend just gone I had no choice but to leave DS1 at DMs house for a few hours, sibling was there and I’m told they had a wonderful afternoon together and sibling told DS1 he could come and play anytime. DM is obviously delighted and DS1 has someone shiny and new to play with.

So the purpose of this whole life story is what should I do? I don’t want DS1 to be heartbroken if sibling decides to drop him and walk out of his life again. He is much older now and much more aware. He feels all the feels so he would be devastated if he built up a bond with someone and they just vanished. Do I allow this to continue or do I put a stop to it? DP is of the opinion that it only happens at DMs house, so don’t let him to DMs house, but then he would miss out on building a relationship with DM too. And where does it end, he will want sibling round for Christmas, birthdays, movie nights etc. I can’t forgive the things she said to me but I don’t want to deprive my child. Then there is DS2 whom sibling has never met nor shown any interest in. How is it fair to him? I often get so upset at the thought that he has just been tossed aside, he is such a joy and I just can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want to be in his life. I just don’t know where to go from here.

Am I being unreasonable, should I just allow it to play out?

Am I not being unreasonable, should I stop my DS1 from continuing this relationship?

Am I just overreacting/overthinking?

😩

OP posts:
WhigfieldSaturdaynight · 03/12/2025 23:16

Cut & run, I say. Invite your DM to see your DC at your house rather than hers.

NuffSaidSam · 03/12/2025 23:18

I think you're overthinking it.

Presumably, given the relationship with your DM, your DS isn't spending huge amounts of time there? So occasionally he goes and will see his aunty/uncle when he does.

The world is full of kids who occasionally see their aunties/uncles, have a nice time and then get on with their lives until the next time they see them. It's quite unusual for a child to become obsessed with a relative to this degree. Is it an issue with DS? Or are you projecting this on to him?

SpiritAdder · 03/12/2025 23:22

It sounds like sibling wanted to take DS1 out but you “ultimately said no” so I don’t agree that sibling just walked out of DS1’s life. You seem to have discouraged it.

I get the baby shower wasn’t great, but quite a few people did show up and do love you. Instead of focussing on who wasn’t there, perhaps you should have recognised the effort and care of the people who were present.

You do sound somewhat depressed, I’d contact your prenatal mental health midwife.

I would personally allow your DS to develop a relationship with his grandmother and aunt/uncle. There are all kinds of “in your life” that can range from seeing them only on holidays to seeing them once a week. I’m not sure what you expect, but even a bit of contact is being in someone’s life when it’s family. I think you’re a bit anxious by thinking they’re going to suddenly start living 50/50 at your DM’s house. You have control over how often your DC visit.

Octavia64 · 03/12/2025 23:28

I think you are really overthinking it, sorry.

my dc have lots of aunties and uncles and uncountable cousins. They go through cycles of enjoying spending time with this set or getting pissed off with x because she’s being a bratty toddler.

you don’t have to go overboard and invite sibling and dm round lots, just let it be a low key relationship that they see them occasionally.

tothestarswholisten · 04/12/2025 08:31

WhigfieldSaturdaynight · 03/12/2025 23:16

Cut & run, I say. Invite your DM to see your DC at your house rather than hers.

Tbh this is what we do 90% of the time but DM is not very mobile so this isn't always possible unfortunately.

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tothestarswholisten · 04/12/2025 08:38

NuffSaidSam · 03/12/2025 23:18

I think you're overthinking it.

Presumably, given the relationship with your DM, your DS isn't spending huge amounts of time there? So occasionally he goes and will see his aunty/uncle when he does.

The world is full of kids who occasionally see their aunties/uncles, have a nice time and then get on with their lives until the next time they see them. It's quite unusual for a child to become obsessed with a relative to this degree. Is it an issue with DS? Or are you projecting this on to him?

No he doesn't typically spend a lot of time there but it has been increasing in frequency due to DMs health, and even more so recently now he has a new friend there.

I don't think obsessed is the right word. He is very inquisitive in nature and when he likes/loves something/someone he goes all in and loves with his whole heart, we always joke that he doesn't do things by halves. I think it's fair to say that it's quite unusual for there to be a new adult in a family and he is not wrong to be curious about that so no, there is no issue there and I'm not projecting anything.

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Swiftie1878 · 04/12/2025 08:41

Your sibling lives with your DM, so the question is more about whether you want to reduce your DC’s contact with your DM. It’s that simple.
Going to DM’s house has the consequence of exposure to your sibling. Can you/would you stop those visits/access to childcare?

AirborneElephant · 04/12/2025 08:43

You’re definitely overthinking this because of your history. He sees her at your DMs house, he goes there and sees his aunt and grandmother. In due course presumably DS2 will go round there as well? Just say no to additional visits like sleepovers, movie nights, hosting Christmas ect, don’t make her a huge integral part of your lives. Then if she drifts in and out a bit he’ll cope fine.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 04/12/2025 08:48

I agree you’re overthinking it.

It does sound like your ds is quite sensitive so I would focus more on that. As a sensitive child myself, resilience was paramount.

Twirlyhockey · 04/12/2025 08:50

"Yes DS1 that's Auntie Susan she is my sister, when we were little we lived together like you and DS2. And you don't remember but she used to come and play when you were little. She lives with grandma now but might move, grown ups often move around. We can't see her today, no, but we might see her around Christmas. Would you like to watch Paw Patrol?"

JudgeBread · 04/12/2025 08:54

Have you ever actually spoken to your sibling and to a lesser extent your mother about what happened? Because it sounds like a hell of a lot of assumptions are being made on both sides without anyone ever actually sitting down and hashing it all out.

I think before I'd allow my child to spend any time with my sibling I'd want to put all of that mess surrounding your mam being in hospital and the baby shower to bed and clear the air.

I'm not saying you were in the wrong, but I think to pave the way for your child to have a relationship with your sibling you need to understand what on earth went wrong last time, and ideally get an apology or at the very least an explanation from your sibling as to their behaviour, and an assurance that they won't do something similar again.

tothestarswholisten · 04/12/2025 08:55

SpiritAdder · 03/12/2025 23:22

It sounds like sibling wanted to take DS1 out but you “ultimately said no” so I don’t agree that sibling just walked out of DS1’s life. You seem to have discouraged it.

I get the baby shower wasn’t great, but quite a few people did show up and do love you. Instead of focussing on who wasn’t there, perhaps you should have recognised the effort and care of the people who were present.

You do sound somewhat depressed, I’d contact your prenatal mental health midwife.

I would personally allow your DS to develop a relationship with his grandmother and aunt/uncle. There are all kinds of “in your life” that can range from seeing them only on holidays to seeing them once a week. I’m not sure what you expect, but even a bit of contact is being in someone’s life when it’s family. I think you’re a bit anxious by thinking they’re going to suddenly start living 50/50 at your DM’s house. You have control over how often your DC visit.

"Ultimately said no" - Sibling wanted to take DS out solo when he was 3/4/5/6 months old. Sibling is the youngest in a very small family, has never been around children or babies, let alone be solely responsible for one for an entire day out. Sibling had no interest in learning how to make up a bottle of formula, point blank refused to change nappies, telling me that "he would be fine for one day". So yes I said no at that time, I think any responsible parent would do the same in that scenario. I was happy for sibling to take out DS accompanied by DM/DF (because at least then I knew his basic needs - feeding & toileting - would be addressed) and this occured often in the following years.

Once DS was a bit older and could walk, communicate, use the potty etc, sibling did have 1-on-1 time with him. DS1 was a week away from being 4 years old when sibling cut ties so they did "just walk out of his life", considering my reluctance was years prior.

Regarding the baby shower I was of course very grateful to those that showed up and I absolutely recognise the effort they made - everyone invited came. The issue there is more that none of my close friends or family were asked. This was a room for 150 people and with only around 15 there I'm sure you can imagine how empty it looked and how upset I might've been? I also couldn't understand why my sibling had left and what had happened with DF to cause him to be in tears.

I'm not sure what you read that has lead you to think I'm depressed? I had pregnancy related anxiety whilst pregnant with DS2 linked to baby loss after a previous miscarriage. It lasted 6-8 months, and disappered the moment DS2 was safe and healthy in my arms. I have never suffered with any other mental health issues either before or since.

At no point did I say I was anxious that DS would live 50/50 at DMs house. My concern is that my DS will build up a bond with this person, become attached, and be dropped from a great height when my sibling gets bored and I will be left to pick up the pieces when he is wondering what he did wrong.

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Keroppi · 04/12/2025 08:55

Just start explaining to DS in general about how kind people especially adults are consistent, don't force you to play or be happy, don't say things that make you feel weird or keep secrets from mum and dad. And if people don't then they're not good

I would just keep a close ear and eye on things as sibling could be petty and tell your son stupid stuff to manipulate.

But I wouldn't stress too much. Your sibling amd maybe mum sounds like a drama llama so just keep it to holidays and when seeing your mum only and don't feed any info to your mum you don't want sibling to know.

HopSpringsEternal · 04/12/2025 09:03

Kids are very adaptable. As long as she is being nice when she sees him I see no problem.
My dc had a 7 years gap in seeing FIL because he turned on dh. They didn't really care that much. Kids live in the moment.
They now see him a couple of times a year and its fine.

Berthatydfil · 04/12/2025 09:07

tothestarswholisten · 04/12/2025 08:55

"Ultimately said no" - Sibling wanted to take DS out solo when he was 3/4/5/6 months old. Sibling is the youngest in a very small family, has never been around children or babies, let alone be solely responsible for one for an entire day out. Sibling had no interest in learning how to make up a bottle of formula, point blank refused to change nappies, telling me that "he would be fine for one day". So yes I said no at that time, I think any responsible parent would do the same in that scenario. I was happy for sibling to take out DS accompanied by DM/DF (because at least then I knew his basic needs - feeding & toileting - would be addressed) and this occured often in the following years.

Once DS was a bit older and could walk, communicate, use the potty etc, sibling did have 1-on-1 time with him. DS1 was a week away from being 4 years old when sibling cut ties so they did "just walk out of his life", considering my reluctance was years prior.

Regarding the baby shower I was of course very grateful to those that showed up and I absolutely recognise the effort they made - everyone invited came. The issue there is more that none of my close friends or family were asked. This was a room for 150 people and with only around 15 there I'm sure you can imagine how empty it looked and how upset I might've been? I also couldn't understand why my sibling had left and what had happened with DF to cause him to be in tears.

I'm not sure what you read that has lead you to think I'm depressed? I had pregnancy related anxiety whilst pregnant with DS2 linked to baby loss after a previous miscarriage. It lasted 6-8 months, and disappered the moment DS2 was safe and healthy in my arms. I have never suffered with any other mental health issues either before or since.

At no point did I say I was anxious that DS would live 50/50 at DMs house. My concern is that my DS will build up a bond with this person, become attached, and be dropped from a great height when my sibling gets bored and I will be left to pick up the pieces when he is wondering what he did wrong.

No reasonable parent would agree to leave a young baby all day without food/water or a nappy change. That is not “fine” thats neglect.
I mean this nicely but is your sibling very young or ND as thus doesnt seem at all right and normal.
OP wasnt willing to let her sibling neglect her child. Anyone who cant look after the basic needs of a child doesn't deserve a relationship with them.
Just because he is a bit older it doesnt mean they wont look after him properly. So no I would not be encouraging a relationship.

Boomer55 · 04/12/2025 09:09

You’re overthinking it.

People will come and go from your son’s life - that’s normal. He won’t give it too much thought, it’s very much the here and now with children.

Just let him mix with your Mum and your sister without stressing about it - or he will pick up on your feelings.

InlandTaipan · 04/12/2025 09:10

You are being overly dramatic (and really that whole post was about you and your relationship with your family, not your child and your sibling). Your child is not going to be upset about a relationship with an aunt they see sporadically. Even if they are close to a relative, that doesn't preclude that relative moving away or emigrating and children adapt.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 04/12/2025 09:23

I don't think I'd worry about it - he'll see his aunt at his granny's house and that's fine.

He's 5, he doesn't get to decide how often that happens, and by the time he's old enough to make any decisions on his social life he'll be focused on his peer group not aunts.

Thry both sound mad as hatters so keep them at arms length, but beyond that don't give it headspace.

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