to be fed up of hearing 'I've worked hard for my money'

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Lots of chat on MN recently about taxes on high earners. So heard lots of 'we have this money because we work bloody hard for it' and honestly I'm sick of it and think the people who say it are selfish.

Nurses work incredibly hard, long shifts, difficult job. Carers provide absolutely essential service, again shift work, difficult hours, difficult job. Teachers provide essential work, I know multiple teachers and they all devote evenings, weekends, school holidays to the detriment of their own families. All of these jobs also have huge emotional tolls. So 'I've worked hard for my money' means nothing to me, because a lot of people work a lot harder for a lot less.

Are most people on under £100K under threat of violence?

@AntiHop , true there's the risk of making a wrong professional judgement, as there is for everyone, but the employer paying their salary is not going bust without notice. That really happens in the private sector.

I saw some comments on a thread where someone who had only ever managed to be a cleaner in a hospital was absolutely berated for "not trying hard enough to progress". Some cunt of a poster was telling her that she was still just a cleaner because she had an attitude problem, and she should had been promoted to supervisor years before. The cleaner said she was bullied by her colleagues and manager, plus she was autistic and lacked the skills to be a supervisor. She still got shit. It was awful to see.
Besides that, there is not always a job to progress to anyway. If you clean offices and are the only cleaner there, where are you going to go?

Risk?!

Don't make me laugh.

Apparently with great wages come great responsibility.

Who has actually taken the fall for any disasters recently? Let alone a salary decrease.

The most that has happened is they've had their name in the papers and moved overseas

Ppe
Post office
Shit in sea
Grenfell
Windrush.
Social services.
And many many more

There is no accountability, so that does not justify high wages

No, no but people in the low paid jobs like retail are.

I would say there are more people on lower salaries at risk of violence in their jobs han those over 100k.
Police, paramedics, fire service, carers for people with mental health difficulties, prison officers, behaviour school teachers ( in fact just teachers), a&e nurses... The list goes on!

Psychiatrists are doctors so yes they are paid that much at consultant level. And she works in CAMHS. Honestly the stories I have heard, I don’t know how she does the job. The money is good but it messes with your mind and some of the kids are really ill.

Absolutely!

Anyone in any authority has evaded blame for failings for decades.

Very clearly, you work in the public sector not in the private.

Did you just get quietly brushed aside in your sector then?

Has anyone said that?

Well frankly OP, I am sick to death of being told I dont deserve the salary I have.

My job is niche and I studied for years and years to be able to do it. Carers are most certainly wonderful people and deserve better pay but they did not study for over 10 years to be able to do their job as someone like me has. I am not saying this makes me a better person btw, I am saying this is why I deserve the pay I get.

Its not just about working hard, its about the time and investment you have put in to learn the skills of what you do and if you charge more its because you are charging for that time and investment which enables you to do the job that few other people can. Is that really so difficult to grasp?

Wang on about it all you like but I know exactly what I am worth and I refuse to feel guilty about it.

Who has actually taken the fall for any disasters recently? Let alone a salary decrease
There will be many higher paid managers who will have taken most of the shit. The very high ones...well they do lose all credibility with the public, will not be able to go out without being shouted out or worse spit at. There are blamed for everything...yet in all likelihood, a lot of the errors will have been caused by lower paid people who will just keep going with their job or just get another one.

they will be consultant psychiatrists with a lot of responsibilities on their shoulders

they work as a team other staff have responsibility too and will also be vulnerable to attacks but ultimately the consultant psychiatrist will have the most responsibility

Well done! And thankyou!
I think you probably deserve it.

But you can afford a tax increase of less than 1% to safe guard our economy and the vulnerable in society I'm sure.

Yes, but those doctors are not on the "shop floor" as it were. The low paid HCAs are, and are at a more real threat of violence then the consultant who wafts onto the ward a few times a week for ward rounds in the comfort of an office surrounded by several other staff.

But you can afford a tax increase of less than 1% to safe guard our economy and the vulnerable in society I'm sure
If this was the answer, these posts wouldn't exist. However, that's not what happens. The richer pay more in tax, and the number of people clarified vulnerable increases at an alarming rate every year whilst he economy moves in the other direction as quickly. The NHS, education, social care get closer to collapsing...

Role out a few years later and the solution...why can't the rich just pay 1% more...

Policy and management are the problem.

Force people into work when they are not qualified, work then to the bone for less than they need to live a stable life, and more mistakes will be made. That is not the fault of the person who has no say in policy or management. It's batshit to blame a minimum wage employee for a major fault in the system!

People aren't your slaves!

Tell me when this has happened.

Well when my friend got chased with a knife the first time she was a registrar and was 7 months pregnant. She very nearly lost her own child due to the attack. Don’t belittle the work other people do based on your experience! It is really in poor taste!

I would LOVE to do this, and train and have your jobs, but having severe AuDHD means I never could. I have to take jobs at my level that doesn't require too much remembering things because I have the memory capacity of a sieve. I cant retain information for very long. Even memories with friends I forget. Today I discovered that I can't recall the name of a guy I dated about 20 years ago...but that might say more about him.

The point is I still work hard. I used to work for a charity on minimum wage, I worked weekends, evenings and on my maternity leave. But I couldn't ever progress to being a boss with the next pay package because I absolutely cannot fucking do that. Limitations are not because people are too lazy or don't want it, they do, but people are not built the same. We cannot all do the same thing.

And at the end of the day, that's a good thing for society because you still need cleaners and shop assistants and carers and whoever else to support you whilst you do your job. Doesn't mean they aren't working hard, some will even be doing 80 hour weeks.Doesn't mean they don't dream of doing your job. But maybe the opportunity to do such a job isn't afforded to them for a whole variety of reasons. Including poverty in childhood.

No they are not on the ward as much

but they are certainly on the ward at times,
will be in assessments, will be present at recalls and will often be the one that patients feel the most anger towards which can put them at risk

they also make the final decisions and some of those decisions can weigh very heavy

We've literally just had 15 years of the burden mainly placed on the poor.

Tell me how society has improved.

It was literally called austerity.

It was a Tory policy. How has that worked for society. What is better?

You don't know the whole intricacies of his job.

The skill, managing other senior colleagues, managing the project, client relationships. Very stressful, long hours. A starting pay of £30k for a nurse is fine.

That is not the fault of the person who has no say in policy or management
Because low skilled workers never do anything wrong....there is thread about a cleaner who didn't show for her job because she couldn't park in the driveway, so she left. The consequences, a house not cleaned.

What if the surgeon who is due to do your life saving surgery decides to turn back because he couldn't find a space in the staff car park?

Who do tou think is going to experience the worse outcome? The cleaner at worse will just get another job within a few days. The surgeon...no job, most likely struck off for some time, loss of credibility and respect in their field and the list goes on!