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To ask if you were Prime Minister for a year, how would you combat the cost of living?

230 replies

MzGG · 27/11/2025 21:53

To ask if you were Chancellor of the Exchequer, how would you combat the cost of living?

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CrazyGoatLady · 28/11/2025 00:40

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 00:24

You clearly misunderstood. I said we want immigrants who contribute and I agree they should get NHS access when they become citizens. What we shouldn’t do is give welfare to immigrants (something your parents have not taken). Welfare should only be for those people who are already here because they are our responsibility. We shouldn’t foist our welfare dependent people on other countries and they shouldn’t on us.

My mum (also an immigrant) claimed child benefit. My dad claimed PIP for 5 years before he reached state pension age because he retired 5 years early due to ill health (first cancer and then a neurological condition that started post treatment). He now claims Attendance Allowance. My grandmother (another immigrant) was a housewife and mother and only worked when her children were older. She received what used to be called widow's pension when my grandfather (horrors, another immigrant!) died. She now requires care that is being part funded by the local authority.

But I guess in your world my sick father and grandmother should just be sent "home" away from their family and main sources of support because they have become old/ill and require some state support and are therefore now no longer useful contributing immigrants, but burdensome ones?

Once again, fuck off. I do not spare the feelings of racists.

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 00:43

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 28/11/2025 00:33

Honestly, it's disgusting to see the incredible depths of some people's prejudice.

The idea that someone who may have lived here and contributed to the system for several decades, who has built their life here and chosen to become a British citizen, should be denied access to benefits if they are unfortunate enough to fall sick or become disabled or otherwise fall on tough times, simply because they weren't born here?

It’s not prejudice. It’s fiscal prudence. Our country is being broken by rising welfare dependency among people who have been permitted to come here despite having no educational background that will ever allow them to be self-sufficient here. I think the figure in recent years has been that only 15% of immigrant household are net tax contributors.

The PP mentioned her Das came as a child and I do think that’s different. Clearly a child doesn’t make a choice to move somewhere. But adults do and our government shouldn’t offer visas to people who will require taxpayer support. It didn’t used to. It’s been creeping in over time, but is very much a Boris Wave problem.

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 00:44

PS that’s new immigrant household who have arrived in the last 5 years, not established ones who came decades ago.

CrazyGoatLady · 28/11/2025 00:48

Our country is being broken by rising welfare dependency among people who have been permitted to come here despite having no educational background that will ever allow them to be self-sufficient here.

Learn to read and interpret statistics.

The numbers of the people you describe are a tiny proportion of the overall number of UC claimants. 76% of UC claimants are white.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-9-january-2025/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-9-january-2025#:~:text=White%20is%20the%20largest%2C%20high,from%20the%20white%20ethnic%20group.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/11/2025 01:09

Our country is not being broken by benefit recipients. Or immigrants. Or pensioners. Or children.

It's depressing to see our problems being diminished and ignored in favour of culture wars. The poorest and most vulnerable sectors of society did not break the UK. They don't have that much power.

Madreamigajefa2 · 28/11/2025 01:35

Bring back capital punishment and use it for anyone who has seriously abused vulnerable people and there's absolutely no reason to doubt their guilt. Implement training for anyone entering the UK by whatever means on UK laws and norms that need to be passed to stay (in the language of the trainee) so there's no misunderstanding about consent etc. Break down barriers and arbitrary caps that make it difficult for people to work part time or increase their earnings gradually, and encourage a greater sense of community by putting on more social events with facilitators to support introductions, so people can start to build more face to face friendships. Provide support to turn empty offices into sites for start ups to grow fruits and veg locally and encourage supermarkets to stock this new local produce (and reduce the percentage of their store areas dedicated to UPFs).

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 28/11/2025 01:47

Genevieva · 28/11/2025 00:43

It’s not prejudice. It’s fiscal prudence. Our country is being broken by rising welfare dependency among people who have been permitted to come here despite having no educational background that will ever allow them to be self-sufficient here. I think the figure in recent years has been that only 15% of immigrant household are net tax contributors.

The PP mentioned her Das came as a child and I do think that’s different. Clearly a child doesn’t make a choice to move somewhere. But adults do and our government shouldn’t offer visas to people who will require taxpayer support. It didn’t used to. It’s been creeping in over time, but is very much a Boris Wave problem.

Fiscally prudent, my arse. It's inhumane and deeply xenophobic.

This is not about who should be given visas. It is about the fact that life is unpredictable and people's circumstances can change. People can be given visas, or indeed nationality, on the basis of being able to support themselves, and have every expectation of doing so. They may work very hard and contribute for many years, and then find that their circumstances unexpectedly change because of sickness, injury or some other unplanned life event. And you want these people - who may have been model citizens for many years - to be left with nothing?

You can dress it up as fiscal prudence all you like, but we all know what it really is. Despicable.

Wfhftm · 28/11/2025 01:48

Force councils to build at least 50% of the houses that are needed on their housing registers. They can pause applications for up to two years whilst building.

Reinstate the previous housing benefit award pre Cameron. As the money spent in temporary housing surpasses the benefit cap.

Force Energy providers to lower their rates by having a a larger tax on their profit after 10%.

Fund more provisions for people with disabilities or mental health issues and then reduce how much PIP is given out as there will be more provisions and help so less individual money would be needed.

Take all nicotine products including vapes and slowly phase out nicotine. So each year the age to buy it gets higher.

Increase maternity leave to 2 years for the first two children.

Chocolateteabag · 28/11/2025 01:52

Simplify the tax system:
Raise the tax free threshold above £15k
Put a slight increase on income tax (yes just bloody do it)
Stop all the cliffhanger stuff that happens at 100 K - it makes people do things to reduce their pay - just stop all the crap and keep taxing them

Be brave and suck off or significantly cut stamp duty to get the housing market moving. Stop all inheritance tax - many countries don’t have it - Again, people do weird things to avoid paying tax if they just inherited everything they probably do a lot more spending of that money

WittyJadeStork · 28/11/2025 02:22

Mass council housing building or conversion or building to council housing. This would have the double effect of reducing rental prices (it doesn’t matter if it’s small private landlords or big corporations both are profiting from housing benefit) and stalling house price growth for home owners. Don’t want values to fall as that’s creates negative equity issues but no growth for a decade would be good. I am a home owner
Less bebefits for not working, if you don’t work you get less than if you do work. That goes for everyone. Yes there would be some disabled people who miss out but most of the population could do some work even if it’s only a few hours a week. I say this as someone which relatives who are disabled some have never worked, some have fought to keep working and as someone with a chronic condition who works.

222days · 28/11/2025 03:57

Quite a lot needs to change for our economy to be made sustainable and productivity to increase, which is the only way to raise living standards sustainably rather than it just be a case of dividing up the remaining crumbs between warring factions. Producivity increases are the only way for living standards to rise. Redistributing money and discouraging investment further by taxing it even more, as they have just done for the second year in a row. will just strangle growth further and accelerate the doom loop.

Fundamentally, it requires a huge improvement in the efficiency of spending, a coherent industrial and trade policy, investment in infrastructure and education and a very large redirecting of public spending from the old to the young. Over 65s are 15% of the population yet consume over 50% of public spending. This is why taxes are going through the roof, and why there has been chronic underinvestment in the parts of our economy that will actually generate improved productivity, rising living standards and growth and some hope for the future of the cost of living relative to salaries going down. The longer this is not done, the worse the effect will be.

A good start would be to:

  1. means test the state pension with a gradual taper rate like in Australia, so that it reaches zero when the PLSA income level for a moderate retirement for an individual/ couple is met (or assets sufficient to generate this income). This would create absolutely zero poverty because it is set at a level which allows for foreign holidays, running a car, eating out regularly, etc: the only impact would be that those pensioners who don’t need the state pension and are currently spending it on extra luxuries no longer receive it/ all of it. This would save £80-90bn per year - these completely unnecessary welfare payments to wealthy pensioners are by far the most wasteful part of public spending and it needs to stop. The quid pro quo can be no further raises in state retirement age. There is no rational argument for the status quo. The current generation of retirees are - on average - extracting £200k per person more in welfare and state services than they paid in tax over their lifetimes, in real terms. This is not sustainable and cannot continue. They didn’t pay sufficient tax to fund their demands on the current working aged population and neither did they provide anything like what they are demanding for their own parents and grandparents. It’s crippling our economy. Ceasing these payments to people who do not need them at all would create no poverty whatsoever, just upset a lot of pensioners who continue to claim that they have “paid for their pension” and that it “isn’t welfare” when all they have done is pay the tax required so that they aren’t breaking the law and go to prison and it’s been clear ever since the National Insurance Act 1948 that this is a welfare payments and - just like all welfare payments - the eligibility criteria and amount is subject to change (the PLSA levels are uprated with inflation every year and currently £31,700 for an individual or £43,900 for a couple after tax and housing costs - so far exceed the income of the vast majority of working-aged people who are paying NI, housing costs, childcare and have nowhere near this amount left as disposable income, so no pensioner would be left in poverty by removing their state pension at this level. When you consider that the recently-proposed cuts to disability benefit aimed to save £5bn per year and this measure would save £80-90bn per year, you can understand the scale of the problem and that it is pension welfare that is one of the reasons why the UK’s infrastructure and education system and all productive investment is falling apart. This ponzi scheme cannot continue and simply won’t, because it can’t, but the longer it goes on the more damage it will do and the harder it will be for the UK to recover, all so that working-aged people can fund luxuries and extra holidays for wealthy pensioners who are perfectly capable of supporting themselves, because politicians are scared to upset them. They need to get over this and do it - it should have been done decades ago). These pensioners funded nothing like this for their own parents or grandparents, and as a cohort paid nowhere near enough to fund it for themselves. They had decades where the collapse of this ponzi scheme was foreseen as an inevitability yet continued to vote for politicians who did nothing about it and demanded no change, and now state that it would be “unfair” to change it for those already retired. Ridiculous. It has to be changed and somebody needs to get a grip and tell them it is being changed, with immediate effect.

  2. The above measure would enable significant investment in productive parts of the economy that have been starved of cash in which investment is essential to generate growth: education and infrastructure in particular. We need a lower proportion of people going to university and far more technical colleges with apprenticeships set up in conjunction with businesses leading to respected and useful vocational qualifications that lead directly into employment with the training employer, more similar to the German model. We also need to increase funding for schools by 50% to ensure smaller class sizes and a wider range of schools to suit different needs - some more academic in focus like the old grammar schools and some more focused on arts or sports or practical and technical skills. Trying to pretend all children are identical is ridiculous and we need to abandon the failed model of forcing almost all children into one-size-fits-all mainstream education which serves nobody well. Fund SEND education properly and put a proper regulator in place for education which will impose fines and sanctions and strip qualifications from people or even impose prison sentences when the law is broken, as is the case in every other sector (law, medicine, finance) rather than individual parents being expected to enforce the law. In the long run, the failure of education and enabling every child to reach their potential is going to cost us orders of magnitude more in terms of welfare, lower growth, higher justice and healthcare costs, etc, so underfunding education is economic insanity.

  3. All responsibility for the provision of education and social care should also be taken back within the remit of the relevant central Government departments so that there is accountability, even if they delegate implementation tasks to Local Authorities. The recently mooted plans to redistribute Council tax across the country just add another layer of bureaucracy to achieve the same effective central funding outcome but with no accountability allowing central Government to blame Councils for the failures when they are underfunded and not capable anyway of administering these systems competently and this has led to a huge squandering of resources on ineffective systems designed more to try to circumvent their statutory responsibilities than actually implement the required services. Social care whether in the home or out of the home should be treated equally in terms of funding. General taxation can rise slightly to fund this and Council tax be significantly lowered with Local Authorities responsible only for local services such as waste collection, leisure centres, road maintenance, libraries etc.

  4. The savings from point 1) also would enable us to remove the op-out for auto-enrolment and significantly increase the level of mandatory contributions for both employees and employers whilst making tax cuts to make this fiscally neutral and ensure that there is a stable pensions system in place for the future. A similar mandatory scheme should be introduced for the self-employed unless they can demonstrate sufficient levels of independent assets to fund their own retirement entirely independently. Meanwhile the Government should commit - as independent report after independent report into the pensions industry in the UK has advised them for years now - NOT to make any further changes to the rules around withdrawals, tax relief, etc because this is undermining any faith in people trusting the system sufficiently to invest their money into it, knowing rules might be changed in the future.

  5. Abandon the failed NHS model and emulate one of the far superior European models like those in France or Germany which have been shown to deliver far better patient outcomes and value for money. People would get treated in a timely manner, healthcare would vastly improve. Treatment would be cheaper if it happened earlier and so the money would be spent more efficiently and achieve much better outcomes without even raising the overall budget. There is a reason why no other country in the world has emulated the NHS system and all of the countries that have better health outcomes do not use a system like ours. Every time this is proposed ridiculous people try to pretend that changing it would mean we were moving to a US model which - again - nobody else in the world has copied for very good reasons. There are very good models between these two extremes that actually work and won’t bankrupt the country.

  6. Rejoin the single market and customs union as quickly as possible and implement a coherent industrial strategy and trade policy, focusing on Government support for start-ups in key high-productivity sectors where the UK has an existing competitive advantage and knowledge base (tech, pharmaceuticals, engineering, the arts, finance and professional services, defence, life sciences etc) linking these up with grants, research from our best universities, knowledge clusters and business support networks including a new Government export assistance service for small businesses to help them overcome the costs of legal hurdles and compliance documentation with templates/ paperwork assistance etc.

  7. A huge investment in our failing infrastructure (water, internet, road, rail, housing - but with acceptable standards for homebuilding unlike now) and plans for food security, water security, energy security, climate change protection (e.g. flood defences). We currently have some of the very highest energy prices in the entire world. This is hugely harming economic growth. The energy pricing model is completely insane, where all units consumed are priced based on the most expensive energy units in the national mix at a given time. This is entirely artificial and perfectly possible for Government to change instantly. Meanwhile we need to invest far more heavily in Nuclear alongside renewables to provide reliable baseload for the future (thanks Nick Clegg for declaring 15 years ago that it wasn’t worth bothering because it wouldn’t be online for 15 years, when at the time the UK could borrow at negative interest rates, i.e. being paid to borrow the money to build our infrastructure). The economic illiteracy has gone on for a long, long time. While day to day public spending needed to be cut after the financial crisis, we should have borrowed HUGE amounts to invest in infrastructure because we could have done so at a profit before even having build anything!). Energy prices are crippling our businesses and making them uncompetitive. Importing a large amount of essentials commodities like energy makes us extremely reliant on FDI and imports inflation. Markets will be favourable to a coherent long-term investment plan in such areas because of their impact on long-term productivity and growth rate therefore this would not negatively impact the UK credit rating. This would also generate more highly skilled jobs and demand for the apprenticeships per point 2).

  8. Stop selling indexed links gilts! Most comparable European countries have a tiny amount of their debt issued on an index-linked basis and are therefore paying much lower interest than us on similar debt levels. This was gross economic mismanagement.

  9. Fix the ridiculous UK tax system which is harming productivity. These points are not in priority order and frankly this one should be done immediately because the effect would be almost instantaneous unlike some other items on the list and it is entirely within Government control to fix. Anomalies and perverse incentives little the system at every level. All taxes and welfare should be levied on a household unit basis, as in pretty much every other developed country. Couples could choose to opt out and be separate “household units” splitting their household tax allowances/ thresholds between them equally if they wish to maintain separate finances. Obviously those in HMOs or adult children living with parents would be separate “household units”. This is how the system operates in all sensible countries of which I am aware. Then two households with the same household income will be taxed the same amount regardless of whether they’re a single parent or couple or how the earnings are split between the adults. This is a matter of basic fairness. Income tax does need to rise but this needs to be through the basic rate (due to sheer mathematics). This should be done transparently by simply changing the rate. Fiscal drag is economically damaging and a commitment should be made to uprate all tax thresholds annually with inflation.

  10. As well as the above, the cliff-edges in the tax system need to be removed. Child benefit, childcare funding and the personal allowance should be made universal again, and the universal credit taper rate reduced significantly because there is robust independent economic evidence demonstrating that this would generate more economic growth, reduce long-term welfare dependency and raise tax revenues and economic participation rates significantly. This would also reduce the number of people cutting their hours/ retiring early/ emigrating and therefore reduce skills shortages and the need for immigration. Rationalise the tax system so that pensioners pay NI given they are by far the highest users of welfare and healthcare which it was supposedly meant to fund (obviously we all know it isn’t hypothecated and does no such thing anyway, but there’s no reason they should be exempt). Adjust tax rates to reduce the discrepancy between the level of tax on earned income and investment income (some is justified to generate investment and risk taking, but the current level is too extreme with employees being taxed far too heavily proportionately). There’s absolutely no excuse for this Government or the last one not to have taken the measures in points 10) and 9) to fix the tax system given the very clear evidence of the economic harm that the current system is causing, suppressing growth and productivity. And certainly no excuse to be telling us they need to make “tough decisions” and make cuts/ raise taxes without taking these measures first. Restore the social contract: the quickest way to undermine public services entirely is to exclude those who are actually paying for them from using them. They will be paying their share AND for many others to access the same and in most European countries that is accepted and it works. If you start excluding higher earners from childcare funding etc you create perverse incentives in the tax system, discourage work from our most productive people, and condemn those public services to perpetual decline and cuts and well as creating further social division. Not helpful of course that the idiots in charge currently, instead of using this budget to remove the cliff edges strangling growth, decided to add more. 🤦🏻‍♀️ It’s hard to conprehend this level of stupidity.

  11. Link up Government IT systems properly so that healthcare records, HMRC records, DWP records, CMS records are all linked together. Ask the Estonians if we can buy their integrated IT system from them given our Governments are so terrible at IT projects. This will enable much easier identification of fraud and tax evasion. Digital ID cards should be required and added to traders’ invoices so that their transactions are logged and they cannot do “cash work” and under-declare and make it an offence to pay for work over a de minimis value without this digital ID number to stamp out black market. These ID cards can also be used to reduce black market working generally. There is a huge amount of tax evasion going on. Implement a system like those in other countries where absent parents who don’t pay something resembling 50% of the cost of housing and raising their children (not the laughable current CMS rates) have their driving licences and passports confiscated and if they still don’t pay then they will be sent to prison i.e. treating these debts with the same severity as money owed to HMRC.

  12. All benefits other than disability benefits should be contributory like in most European countries, so that they resemble the insurance-based system that they were intended to be. This would enable them to be set at a level where they are a percentage of previous salary, again in line with most European countries, so that they do actually provide a genuine safety net for all sufficient to cover their baked-in existing living costs which is important for the social contract (and those with higher costs will have been paying proportionately more tax to fund this while working). This will also prevent people claiming unemployment benefits as a “career” without ever working at all (unless severely disabled). Benefits like the child element of UC should be replaced by an additional tax allowance based on the number of children (again, a model that’s worked well in other countries for decades) because this encourages work rather than disincentivising it, while still recognising the additional costs involved in raising children.

  13. Implement something akin to the EU Directive on Tax Transparency which Brexit was largely designed to avoid being implemented in the UK, requiring publication of the beneficial ownership of all accounts held in UK offshore tax haven territories. Reform rules around transfer pricing which enable large companies to move profits abroad and transfer costs into countries where revenue is generated to eliminate their profits. Reform the rules around dividend distribution linking them to the requirement to provide disclosures on long-term viability so that a company cannot make distributions unless it can demonstrate sufficient cash is being kept in the business to meet long-term investment requirements (e.g. water companies needing to invest in infrastructure as population changes/ upgrades are required).

These would be obvious first steps for a Government genuinely wanting to generate growth and rising living standards. None of it is rocket science. And none of it, sadly, is what the Government is doing, or any other political party is proposing either.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/11/2025 04:05

Well Monarchists never shut up about how much money the Royal Family brings to the UK in tourism etc, so I'd take all the unemployed people and make them Royalty.

HelenaWaiting · 28/11/2025 04:07

I'd rejoin the EU. And I'd introduce a law that everyone on £100k+ gets fined £1000 every time they moan about taxes. It should be a nice little earner for the treasury, and who knows, maybe they'll STFU.

222days · 28/11/2025 04:30

HelenaWaiting · 28/11/2025 04:07

I'd rejoin the EU. And I'd introduce a law that everyone on £100k+ gets fined £1000 every time they moan about taxes. It should be a nice little earner for the treasury, and who knows, maybe they'll STFU.

Or maybe those people - who are funding the state services for everyone else - will leave in higher numbers than now. Not a great idea when you have one of the most top-heavy and unstable tax systems in the world. People earning salaries in the bracket you refer to pay among the highest level of taxes for that level of earnings in any country on Earth, and receive third world level services in return, many of which they are funding for everyone else but then told they cannot access themselves. What is their incentive to stay here or work full time when hitting £100k earnings means marginal tax rates of 20,000% in some cases, i.e. earn £1 more and lose £20k in net income?

Someone earning £150k pays 12 times as much tax as someone earning £30k, not 5 times as much, and the person on £30k will be able to access childcare funding, child benefit, universal credit in some circumstances, have a personal allowance, pay very little in student loan repayments and never pay off their loan… etc.

A lone parent to two small children must earn £150k to have the same net income after tax and childcare as a couple each earning the average UK salary of £37k, while doing twice the work: in half the time they must earn four times as much AND do everything for the children, to achieve the same net income as a couple on average salaries. And that’s ignoring that people earning such salaries generally have to live in more expensive areas to access those jobs, and that the lone parent will need more childcare because there’s only one of them.

If a significant proportion of the population continues to think like you and assess public policy and voting decisions based on spite rather than mathematics and evidence then the UK’s decline will accelerate even faster. The people who have been propping up this country for the last two decades have had enough of being told they have “broad shoulders” when other people who are living off the proceeds of their hard work do nothing but insult them as a “thank you”. They are voting with their feet already, with a huge brain drain of our brightest and best emigrating as fast as they can to countries that welcome the highly skilled and productive.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. We all know what happens to those dogs.

222days · 28/11/2025 04:37

The difference in the countries that have the public services the UK population covets is that lower and middle earners pay far more tax. It’s simple mathematics: there’s no other way to fund it because of the numbers of people in each earning bracket.

The UK population needs to decide whether it will have European levels of public services and everyone will pay what that costs (and no, it won’t be an extra £50 per month. It will mean raising the basic rate tax by 7-8% and hugely decreasing the personal allowance which is several times what it is in most such countries so that everyone contributes a sensible amount) or having much reduced public services and bringing down taxes for higher earners to be proportionate to the state services available.

You cannot have both. The “someone else will pay” model has already gone far beyond the limits of the laffer curve, hence the exodus of skilled workers.

If the population is dumb enough to vote in a Reform “government” that will be the final nail in the coffin and it’ll be half a decade at least until the UK can recover, if at all.

People need to start being realistic. Continually voting for whomever promises you the largest and most glittery completely fictional cake that you can eat forever and will still be whole and you never have to pay a penny for may be a nice dream but it’s not going to result in you actually receiving any cake at all.

222days · 28/11/2025 04:41

222days · 28/11/2025 04:37

The difference in the countries that have the public services the UK population covets is that lower and middle earners pay far more tax. It’s simple mathematics: there’s no other way to fund it because of the numbers of people in each earning bracket.

The UK population needs to decide whether it will have European levels of public services and everyone will pay what that costs (and no, it won’t be an extra £50 per month. It will mean raising the basic rate tax by 7-8% and hugely decreasing the personal allowance which is several times what it is in most such countries so that everyone contributes a sensible amount) or having much reduced public services and bringing down taxes for higher earners to be proportionate to the state services available.

You cannot have both. The “someone else will pay” model has already gone far beyond the limits of the laffer curve, hence the exodus of skilled workers.

If the population is dumb enough to vote in a Reform “government” that will be the final nail in the coffin and it’ll be half a decade at least until the UK can recover, if at all.

People need to start being realistic. Continually voting for whomever promises you the largest and most glittery completely fictional cake that you can eat forever and will still be whole and you never have to pay a penny for may be a nice dream but it’s not going to result in you actually receiving any cake at all.

Sorry, not half a decade: half a century.

I’m far too tired. Time to catch an hour or two of sleep.

HelenaWaiting · 28/11/2025 04:46

222days · 28/11/2025 04:30

Or maybe those people - who are funding the state services for everyone else - will leave in higher numbers than now. Not a great idea when you have one of the most top-heavy and unstable tax systems in the world. People earning salaries in the bracket you refer to pay among the highest level of taxes for that level of earnings in any country on Earth, and receive third world level services in return, many of which they are funding for everyone else but then told they cannot access themselves. What is their incentive to stay here or work full time when hitting £100k earnings means marginal tax rates of 20,000% in some cases, i.e. earn £1 more and lose £20k in net income?

Someone earning £150k pays 12 times as much tax as someone earning £30k, not 5 times as much, and the person on £30k will be able to access childcare funding, child benefit, universal credit in some circumstances, have a personal allowance, pay very little in student loan repayments and never pay off their loan… etc.

A lone parent to two small children must earn £150k to have the same net income after tax and childcare as a couple each earning the average UK salary of £37k, while doing twice the work: in half the time they must earn four times as much AND do everything for the children, to achieve the same net income as a couple on average salaries. And that’s ignoring that people earning such salaries generally have to live in more expensive areas to access those jobs, and that the lone parent will need more childcare because there’s only one of them.

If a significant proportion of the population continues to think like you and assess public policy and voting decisions based on spite rather than mathematics and evidence then the UK’s decline will accelerate even faster. The people who have been propping up this country for the last two decades have had enough of being told they have “broad shoulders” when other people who are living off the proceeds of their hard work do nothing but insult them as a “thank you”. They are voting with their feet already, with a huge brain drain of our brightest and best emigrating as fast as they can to countries that welcome the highly skilled and productive.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. We all know what happens to those dogs.

Excuse me, I am one of those people who earn £100k+. The hand that feeds me? Patronising and judgemental.

HelenaWaiting · 28/11/2025 04:48

222days · 28/11/2025 04:30

Or maybe those people - who are funding the state services for everyone else - will leave in higher numbers than now. Not a great idea when you have one of the most top-heavy and unstable tax systems in the world. People earning salaries in the bracket you refer to pay among the highest level of taxes for that level of earnings in any country on Earth, and receive third world level services in return, many of which they are funding for everyone else but then told they cannot access themselves. What is their incentive to stay here or work full time when hitting £100k earnings means marginal tax rates of 20,000% in some cases, i.e. earn £1 more and lose £20k in net income?

Someone earning £150k pays 12 times as much tax as someone earning £30k, not 5 times as much, and the person on £30k will be able to access childcare funding, child benefit, universal credit in some circumstances, have a personal allowance, pay very little in student loan repayments and never pay off their loan… etc.

A lone parent to two small children must earn £150k to have the same net income after tax and childcare as a couple each earning the average UK salary of £37k, while doing twice the work: in half the time they must earn four times as much AND do everything for the children, to achieve the same net income as a couple on average salaries. And that’s ignoring that people earning such salaries generally have to live in more expensive areas to access those jobs, and that the lone parent will need more childcare because there’s only one of them.

If a significant proportion of the population continues to think like you and assess public policy and voting decisions based on spite rather than mathematics and evidence then the UK’s decline will accelerate even faster. The people who have been propping up this country for the last two decades have had enough of being told they have “broad shoulders” when other people who are living off the proceeds of their hard work do nothing but insult them as a “thank you”. They are voting with their feet already, with a huge brain drain of our brightest and best emigrating as fast as they can to countries that welcome the highly skilled and productive.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. We all know what happens to those dogs.

And while we're on the subject, you do not get to call me, or any other human being, a dog. Capisce?

CharnwoodFire · 28/11/2025 05:02

I'd sort out council tax, and tax according to current day valuations.

CharnwoodFire · 28/11/2025 05:06

I'd fund the NHS via a means tested method - and though I think water, energy and trains should all be renationalised, I don't think NHS privatisation would be a bad idea

NewUserName2244 · 28/11/2025 05:10

I would change the cms system so all non resident parents pay CMS automatically from payroll in the same way as tax, as the standard system. And this is then paid automatically to the resident parent.

All late and non payers would be subject to investigation, fines and penalties in the same way as non-tax payers. And money not paid would be owed to the government - the resident parents would still continue to receive their payments.

Any non resident parent who is self employed or a company director who earns less that £30k per year would automatically have to provide proof that their earnings are true and proportionate.

Then, once that had been in place for a year I would count maintenance as income for universal credit. And use the money saved to increase the threshold for pupil premium in schools.

222days · 28/11/2025 05:11

HelenaWaiting · 28/11/2025 04:48

And while we're on the subject, you do not get to call me, or any other human being, a dog. Capisce?

I did no such thing. I assume you own a dictionary? Perhaps look up the word “metaphor”.

Capisce? 🤣🙄 This isn’t an episode of The Sopranos.

The third person singular in English (“understand”) is just as easy to… understand. I understand perfectly well thank you. If your claim that you earn a moderate professional salary is true (which I doubt given the language you used in the post I responded to, let alone the subsequent ones) then I’m not sure why you think that gives you the authority to tell other people what they can or cannot say about the objective fact that the UK is levying taxes on earners in this bracket (not the wealthy) which are amongst the highest taxes for that income level in the world, while significantly undertaxing those on median/ low incomes in comparison to our comparator countries in Europe which have the level of services that the UK public seems to expect to be funded, without the vast majority of them paying a sufficient amount to make it possible for the country to fund this.

And you can quit trying to call other people “patronising” when you’re attempting to patronise other people, as well as attempting to misrepresent what they have stated with your ridiculous comment about the dog metaphor. It’s hardly like I made up the saying. Perhaps given your ridiculous “capisce” comment you’re actually Italian and therefore not familiar with English idioms. That is the only excuse I could think of for such an obviously false and absurd accusation that I was “calling people dogs”.

Chocja · 28/11/2025 05:12

Great post @222days

My ideas include

  • taxing large wins, if you win anything over £50k then you pay a gambling winnings tax, whilst trying to stop being spending too much on gambling.
  • crack down on self employed parents saying that they are on a pittance to avoid paying maintenance and look at what the state can do to make Both parents pay fairly for their child. It doesn’t seem right that we pay for the children whilst a largely absentee parent pays a token amount.
  • sort out the taxes that the largest corporations pay
  • make the BBC serve the national. Stop them bidding against terrestrial channels for programs or sports and produce shows that are designed to improve health. Ie regular exercise slots for different people like chair based workouts for the elderly on BBc2 in the week at 10am or learning to cook series
  • Ban tobacco and vapes
  • Fast food tax on every item you are sold that is a carton, drink container or bag used for litter picking
  • suggested donations for using the NHS (non enforceable, but a notice asking people to and a card machine or bank details) and fines for people who persistently miss appointments without a medical explanation along with a requirement for all doctors surgeries to put up posters stating how many appointments are missed each month
  • Make it easier for individuals or businesses to sponsor or to donate things that go the extra mile, ie sponsorship of litter picks, street sign cleaning, flower displays
  • make it the manufacturers responsibility for their products to be recyclable at the end of life including all packaging
  • Dog licences and encouragement of sterilisation for pets
I will no doubt have a lot more ideas
222days · 28/11/2025 05:18

Chocja · 28/11/2025 05:12

Great post @222days

My ideas include

  • taxing large wins, if you win anything over £50k then you pay a gambling winnings tax, whilst trying to stop being spending too much on gambling.
  • crack down on self employed parents saying that they are on a pittance to avoid paying maintenance and look at what the state can do to make Both parents pay fairly for their child. It doesn’t seem right that we pay for the children whilst a largely absentee parent pays a token amount.
  • sort out the taxes that the largest corporations pay
  • make the BBC serve the national. Stop them bidding against terrestrial channels for programs or sports and produce shows that are designed to improve health. Ie regular exercise slots for different people like chair based workouts for the elderly on BBc2 in the week at 10am or learning to cook series
  • Ban tobacco and vapes
  • Fast food tax on every item you are sold that is a carton, drink container or bag used for litter picking
  • suggested donations for using the NHS (non enforceable, but a notice asking people to and a card machine or bank details) and fines for people who persistently miss appointments without a medical explanation along with a requirement for all doctors surgeries to put up posters stating how many appointments are missed each month
  • Make it easier for individuals or businesses to sponsor or to donate things that go the extra mile, ie sponsorship of litter picks, street sign cleaning, flower displays
  • make it the manufacturers responsibility for their products to be recyclable at the end of life including all packaging
  • Dog licences and encouragement of sterilisation for pets
I will no doubt have a lot more ideas

Don’t mention dogs! @HelenaWaitingwill accuse you of telling other posters they are canines! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Monty27 · 28/11/2025 05:43

Sort the housing crisis and buy to let banned or so heavily taxed properties are bought up by social housing