Watered down workers protection

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Am I missing something- why on earth would someone want a workers right bill that gives them the right to claim for unfair dismissal from DAY 1?

I know it’s been cancelled but just why would it have been put in the first place?

How rude!

Day 1 is insanity.

The amount of admin involved in a dismissal is unbelievable, as it should be. Some people are useless and lie to get in the door.

Small businesses can be dragged under if they make a poor hire that they can't get rid of. Other employees suffer if their new colleague is lazy, difficult, incompetent.

Of course, PC like race and disability should be covered from day one, and they are.

Six months is a good compromise. Most assholes will have revealed themselves in that time frame.

Do you have to disclose a protected characteristic at the interview stage to allow it to be used as day 1 employment rights protection for you?

Labour was mad to promise not to raise income tax, NICs or VAT and also mad to promise full employment rights from day 1.

Makes me wonder who is advising them to adopt such ridiculous positions.

Two years is too long, 6 months is (in my view) what they should have put in the manifesto.

Not at interview stage, but you would have to disclose for it be a valid claim. Some would, of course, be obvious (age, sex, race etc) but you can’t claim you were unfairly dismissed due to a disability or because you are pregnant if your employer doesn’t know you are disabled or pregnant.

Thank you.

You’re right but it’s Starmer and Labour over the advisors. To put day 1 in the manifesto is either completely clueless or lying to pull the wool over unions. Probably both.

I believe the initial thinking was to reduce the number of people ping-ponging in and out of employment/UC by putting the responsibility on employers to give new employees a similar 'fair chance' to resolve early issues with conduct, capability etc as any other employee.

Personally I thought day 1 protection was a ridiculous suggestion. I think two years is similarly ridiculous; six months seems like a good fit.

But @napody you call the watering down, “working through a good compromise”. Sharon Graham, head of Unite calls it “a shell of its former self” and calls it a betrayal.

Didn’t seem to be much involved in mine or my colleagues
none of us were shit, it’s just frustrating you can leave a job, start a new one and 8 weeks later they say they’re over staffed and get rid of you with immediate effect

Absolutely - this will impact young people, new to employment, more than anyone. Another spectacular own goal for labour

@Firefumes That’s rich, coming from you. You’re guilty of unfair dismissal yourself. And you never provided a proper employment contract. You’ve broken quite a lot of rules here.

Oh, you say you haven’t? That I’m making a spurious accusation? Let’s go to an ET to settle it then. Or maybe just pay me off to save yourself the hassle and legal fees.

That’s the point at which it becomes safer not to take a chance on someone who might not work out.

The people who suffer most? Those with a patchy prior employment record, people who seem a bit off, people trying to turn over a new leaf. They don’t get employed. Those who look the part and come recommended are much safer all round.