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Why do over 65 have a higher Cash ISA limit in the budget??

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Hungryhippos123 · 27/11/2025 12:55

Cash ISA limit has been slashed - but some people are exempt | Money News | Sky News

I am asking because I don't understand the logic. Why do over 65s get a higher cash ISA limit? Why not younger people too? I understand the logic behind making the stocks and shares ISA more attractive to encourage investment but why have different rules for pensioners? It strengthens the divide and the feeling of unfairness towards younger people trying to save.

Cash ISA limit has been slashed - but some people are exempt

In a bid to increase spending and boost the economy, Rachel Reeves has slashed the tax-free cash ISA by £8,000 in today's budget. If you're under 65, here's how it could impact your savings.

https://news.sky.com/story/cash-isa-limit-has-been-slashed-by-8-000-except-for-over-65s-13475571

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ChangeIsDue · 01/12/2025 07:25

Shoulam · 27/11/2025 12:57

Maybe because older people won’t be saving long term enough to see a return on their investments? Investments can take years to pay off. A 75 year old likely won’t live long enough for it to pay off.

Exactly this

Sailininthechoppa · 01/12/2025 07:31

Young people often need that amount of money for house deposits. My DC need their money to build up, not fluctuate.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 01/12/2025 07:34

SeaAndStars · 28/11/2025 14:04

This is why Martin Lewis campaigned for this.

But unless one buys an annuity on retirement, which only about 10% do, then that advice is wrong, and will lead to worse outcomes for the retired.

Look at it this way, if one spends 40 years between 25 and 65 contributing to a personal pension that starts ‘life styling’ 10 years before retirement, then you’ve got 30 years of full growth potential in your pension. But if you retire at 65 that fund might need to last 30 years - and not being in equities for that length of time will lead to worse outcomes.

There’s no way that over a 70 year investment horizon starting to move out of equities less than half way through will deliver the best return. If one is going to use one’s pension fund to generate income by drawing down you will get better outcomes by remaining in diversified investments. Something the chancellor, with her taxpayer funded defined benefit pension, doesn’t understand or have to worry about!

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PodMom · 01/12/2025 07:34

CornishYarg · 29/11/2025 01:19

Reposting this as this point seems to be getting missed: investing in a S&S ISA doesn't mean you have to invest in risky shares.

S&S ISAs are just a wrapper for accessing a wide variety of funds with different risk levels. So for example, you can choose a cash-type money market fund if you're investing short term e.g. for a house deposit.

https://www.fidelity.co.uk/markets-insights/personal-finance/personal-finance/investing-in-cash-in-a-stocks-and-shares-isa-the-basics/

Yeah I invested in a “low risk” stocks and shares isa with fidelity and lost thousands over a ten year period. Obviously low risk doesn’t mean no risk. But I get for older people low risk could be unacceptable. I’ve moved my money into vanguard and am hoping it gets back up in the next 15 years or so. An older person wouldn’t have that time.

jasflowers · 01/12/2025 07:40

MidnightPatrol · 27/11/2025 13:56

LISA has a limit on how much you can spend on the house (and how much you can put in each year).

My example of a young person using a cash ISA is a short term need for cash eg buying a house imminently.

Therefore investing the money isn’t financially prudent for their circumstances either - as with a pensioner.

Bizzare ‘if a young person can afford to save £20k they can afford to pay more tax’, but not a pensioner..?

Seriously?

A young person who can save 20k per year, as a couple, its still 24k per year (cash), is not the sort of person the tax payer should be helping, the chances are if they are saving 20k on more modest incomes, its come from their parents, who may even be the main beneficiaries.

BTW, plenty of people in their 60s invest in the stock market, they "could" easily have another 20 years left.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/12/2025 08:25

Tryingtokeepgoing · 01/12/2025 07:34

But unless one buys an annuity on retirement, which only about 10% do, then that advice is wrong, and will lead to worse outcomes for the retired.

Look at it this way, if one spends 40 years between 25 and 65 contributing to a personal pension that starts ‘life styling’ 10 years before retirement, then you’ve got 30 years of full growth potential in your pension. But if you retire at 65 that fund might need to last 30 years - and not being in equities for that length of time will lead to worse outcomes.

There’s no way that over a 70 year investment horizon starting to move out of equities less than half way through will deliver the best return. If one is going to use one’s pension fund to generate income by drawing down you will get better outcomes by remaining in diversified investments. Something the chancellor, with her taxpayer funded defined benefit pension, doesn’t understand or have to worry about!

It’s a matter of balance as you get older. If some of your retirement funds are in ISAs, chances are many of your existing ones will be S&S already.
The thing I’m not clear about is whether you can now move any existing ISAs out of s&s into cash ones if you’ve reached a point of wanting to protect against volatility - I think you used to be able to transfer between the two types freely. If thats now limited it could be a significant problem.

GeneralPeter · 01/12/2025 08:54

The cash ISA was always a bad idea.

Anyone who wants cash-like risk and return can always do that in a S&S ISA by choosing a cash-like investment. People who absolutely insists on a cash deposit instead already have a £500 or £1000 tax-free interest allowance (except higher rate taxpayers).

Yet another complexity given yet another complex twist, for a policy that in aggregate drives returns lower for people and makes capital raising for UK businesses more expensive.

Boomer55 · 01/12/2025 08:57

JamesClyman · 27/11/2025 13:44

We vote and the Govt. has some fences to mend after the WFA fiasco.

Yes, and tax free savings will always beat savings where tax has to be paid on the interest.

GeneralPeter · 01/12/2025 09:00

Boomer55 · 01/12/2025 08:57

Yes, and tax free savings will always beat savings where tax has to be paid on the interest.

True except that there’s already a £500 or £1000 tax free interest allowance. And depending on inflation and interest rates, cash often delivers a negative real return.

The govt has put in a lot of incentives to stay in cash and now seems surprised that people have done so.

tramtracks · 01/12/2025 09:04

GeneralPeter · 01/12/2025 08:54

The cash ISA was always a bad idea.

Anyone who wants cash-like risk and return can always do that in a S&S ISA by choosing a cash-like investment. People who absolutely insists on a cash deposit instead already have a £500 or £1000 tax-free interest allowance (except higher rate taxpayers).

Yet another complexity given yet another complex twist, for a policy that in aggregate drives returns lower for people and makes capital raising for UK businesses more expensive.

Edited

The gov is reviewing ‘cash like’ investments held in stocks and shares ISAs. So holding cash in money market funds for income in retirement might be banned from those too.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tax-free-savings-newsletter-19/tax-free-savings-newsletter-19-november-2025

tramtracks · 01/12/2025 09:07

CornishYarg · 29/11/2025 01:19

Reposting this as this point seems to be getting missed: investing in a S&S ISA doesn't mean you have to invest in risky shares.

S&S ISAs are just a wrapper for accessing a wide variety of funds with different risk levels. So for example, you can choose a cash-type money market fund if you're investing short term e.g. for a house deposit.

https://www.fidelity.co.uk/markets-insights/personal-finance/personal-finance/investing-in-cash-in-a-stocks-and-shares-isa-the-basics/

money market funds are being reviewed by the government as being legimiate holdings in an SS ISA https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tax-free-savings-newsletter-19/tax-free-savings-newsletter-19-november-2025

WutheringTights · 01/12/2025 10:58

The key thing to remember is that this only applies to new savings. If you have a cash isa already then that can stay untouched. This impacts only people with surplus income now that want to save it. I’d suggest that a pensioner with surplus income to invest now probably isn’t living on the breadline and doesn’t need to access an enhanced ISA allowance more than, say, a 20 something saving for a house deposit. It’s pure politics dressed up as economics.

caringcarer · 01/12/2025 11:28

MrsWobble4 · 27/11/2025 12:58

I think the logic is that a stock market ISA will give a better return over the longer term so is to be encouraged for younger people. Older people don’t have the same time horizon.

I think this.

Elbowpatch · 01/12/2025 11:39

WutheringTights · 01/12/2025 10:58

The key thing to remember is that this only applies to new savings. If you have a cash isa already then that can stay untouched. This impacts only people with surplus income now that want to save it. I’d suggest that a pensioner with surplus income to invest now probably isn’t living on the breadline and doesn’t need to access an enhanced ISA allowance more than, say, a 20 something saving for a house deposit. It’s pure politics dressed up as economics.

A person over 65 and still working may have a need to access a risk free enhanced ISA allowance in order to fund their retirement.

WutheringTights · 01/12/2025 11:45

Elbowpatch · 01/12/2025 11:39

A person over 65 and still working may have a need to access a risk free enhanced ISA allowance in order to fund their retirement.

And a 20-something might need a house deposit (to rent or buy) in the next couple of years.

Elbowpatch · 01/12/2025 12:11

WutheringTights · 01/12/2025 11:45

And a 20-something might need a house deposit (to rent or buy) in the next couple of years.

Then they should be looking at a LISA with its associated 25% government bonus (worth up to £1k p.a.) that over 65s aren’t eligible for.

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