To be delighted PIP assessments are to be face to face?

[PAYE]

The only good thing about the budget is that Rachel Reeves announced that face to face assessments for PIP and disability benefits are being brought back. AIBU to think that this is a great thing?

It will make sure that the money goes to those who need it. It is madness that such face to face assessments were ever stopped.

Completely unreasonable for assessments to be outsourced to a private company where they profit from this. Assessors routinely lie.

Over 70% of appeals go in favour of the disabled person making the PIP claim at enormous public cost. Private companies are not penalised for the additional cost of handling appeals - they are financially rewarded for turning claims down.

This is all about corporate greed at the cost of disabled people.

It is absolutely disgusting that anyone would be in support of a system that hands over so much taxpayer money to give a private company a huge profit.

The system is overwhelmingly biased against disabled people.

The cost of fraud is an absolutely minute fraction of the amount of profit made by private companies. Paying profit is a gigantic cost.

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I’m sorry to hear of your own disability and it’s great to hear this hasn’t held you back.

Also, I didn’t appreciate your suggestion that I’m a fantasist or a liar.

Why on earth are you saying that assessments are not done face to face?

Most are. What are you on about?

I am still waiting for the OP to come back and provide a link to this news story she has created a thread about.

Come on then @PAYE Show us a thread to this news from the budget today!

I won't hold my breath!

Did you report this incredibly wealthy globe-trotting person on benefits then?

So you reported them then, did you?

Yes it’s utterly shit and people should not be penalised for being in hospital particularly as it’s more than likely that the stay is related to why they’re receiving PIP etc in the first place.
It also seems foolish because it encourages people to leave hospital before they have completed treatment in order to avoid having their benefits cut which is likely to mean their condition will deteriorate further and they’re likely to be hospitalised again which is ultimately going to cost the NHS and tax payers more money. It’s ultimately inefficient and foolish imo but I don’t expect anyone important to take it up as a cause any time soon.

She isn’t incredibly wealthy. Where did you get that idea from? No savings, no assets, no property, no pension. In England she was incredibly poor, existing on benefits. In developing countries with no bills, her quality of life is good by comparison.

Anyone who is just faking, but who is so clever that they've managed to convince the doctors of it to get the relevant letters etc, is going to be able to convince the assessors too I'm afraid. All this will do is increase waiting times and make genuine claimants nervous and upset. I don't know what the answer is though.

Exactly.

It makes no sense. I literally had to explain that just because my son is in hospital, it doesn't mean that he's stopped growing and magically won't need any new clothes.

The profit margin on all services provided by the largest health assessment provider is 9%. That's not "an enormous cost". It might be that TUPE'ing all the employees to the DWP and setting up a departmental management team to run the program costs a bit less than that 9%, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Having made your initial assessment of my protestations (pompous, much?) you must believe what you want to believe, since I’m just a Mumsnet user on the end of a phone with no way to prove what I’m telling you. But it’s true.

It actually is if you lie. If someone is playing the system it's not hard for them as it really makes no difference if they are awarded or not. If you have a genuine need for the assistance it is much harder as it actually has a serious impact whether ot not you are awarded.

What are you on about? 😆EVERYone's life in England is good in comparison to some other countries.

And why are you not answering everyone asking you if you have reported this globe trotting wealthy person on benefits? She MUST be quite wealthy doing all this travelling yes?

So..... did you report her? And if not, WHY not?

Report her! Thats unconscionable conduct and fraud. Sooner we clamp down on PIP fraudsters the better because any system needs to be proven to be fair.

At the moment we have an evidently unfair benefits system, which is open to abuse.
We need a well advertised whistleblower website to clamp down on cheats.

It is NOT easy to claim PIP, it is notoriously hard!!! FGS, this thread is infuriating!

A person can lie, all that they like, but if they have no medical evidence to support what they are saying, the assessors will not just take whatever they say, and run with it.

Like no one on pip pays tax 🤣

What “I’m on about” as you so charmlessly put it, is your assertion that the person I know is “an incredibly wealthy globe-trotter”. I was helping you to follow. This person has nothing. They have a state-funded rented flat. She has nothing at all except her benefits. Hope this helps.

It’s so boring day after day of the increase in Pip claimants/ADHD/anxiety/free cars/taxpayers.
Ironically, the only benefit I can see that’s been reportedly changed is Universal Credit.
It hasn’t changed the amount or criteria for disabled benefits and yet still this OP has come out with a story to make sure people don’t forget that their are them disableds getting things for free you know

You’d think that would be obvious to anyone with half a brain cell but that just demonstrates exactly what a mess the benefits system is in many respects.

Well she MUST have some wonga stashed away to be travelling as much as you say she is.

Hope that helps.

Also @dontletmedownbruce why are you not answering the question HAVE YOU REPORTED HER?!

Also @dontletmedownbruce how do you know so much about this person's outgoings and income and assets and benefits and travels? I don't know half as much as you do (about this random woman,) about my own best friends and adult children!

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