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To think having kids is now treated like a moral achievement rather than a personal choice?

36 replies

DeftQuail · 26/11/2025 13:12

People act as if parenting gives them automatic wisdom or depth. AIBU to think the cult of motherhood has simply replaced the church?

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Sexentric · 26/11/2025 20:42

Thechaseison71 · 26/11/2025 15:38

This.i don't think people's personality changes that much. I certainly am the same person that I was before children

Ha! I'm.not. im way more stressed than j used to be! 😆

Thechaseison71 · 26/11/2025 22:48

Sexentric · 26/11/2025 20:42

Ha! I'm.not. im way more stressed than j used to be! 😆

Is that in general or just when dealing with the kids?

ContinuewithGoogle · 26/11/2025 23:00

DeftQuail · 26/11/2025 13:32

I’m not “beating” parents. I’m talking about the social narrative, not the children themselves. Of course having kids is a huge responsibility and a meaningful part of many people’s lives. My point is that culturally, parenthood is often treated as if it automatically makes someone wiser, more selfless or morally superior, and that dynamic is what I’m questioning, not the existence of children.

what culture?

I haven't noticed anything at all about "dads" but mothers culturally take a huge beating as if they suddenly lose their brain, thinking ability and credibility.

I'd welcome a change giving them wisdom and depth after popping a baby or 2

NoKidsSendDogs · 27/11/2025 00:54

Palourdes · 26/11/2025 14:00

It really doesn’t.

It really, really doesn't

LuckyDipper · 27/11/2025 01:02

Amblealongside · 26/11/2025 13:53

Well, yes of course it does. I don't understand why you'd think otherwise when you're sacrificing your own self in favour of the wellbeing of your child. That's what parents do 🤷‍♀️ it's hard, but forces you to become less selfish and more mature.

Choosing to become a parent is a selfish act in itself. And generally speaking many people become more selfish when they become parents, their selfishness just expands to include their family unit.

DontbesorrybeGiles · 27/11/2025 03:00

Amblealongside · 26/11/2025 13:53

Well, yes of course it does. I don't understand why you'd think otherwise when you're sacrificing your own self in favour of the wellbeing of your child. That's what parents do 🤷‍♀️ it's hard, but forces you to become less selfish and more mature.

If you’re a selfish and immature person, having a baby won’t automatically change that. You’ll still be selfish and immature unless you recognise and address your character flaws and do some serious work on yourself.

Pricelessadvice · 27/11/2025 06:52

Amblealongside · 26/11/2025 13:53

Well, yes of course it does. I don't understand why you'd think otherwise when you're sacrificing your own self in favour of the wellbeing of your child. That's what parents do 🤷‍♀️ it's hard, but forces you to become less selfish and more mature.

Really? You only have to read the scores of posts on MN about people and their abusive mothers/parents. How wise, less selfish and more mature did those mothers become?
Infact, there was a thread a while ago and some of the stories that people shared that their parents did to them when they were children were absolutely horrifying.
People have innate characteristics.
In most cases, motherhood actually doesn’t change a persons inbuilt character all that much.

ContinuewithGoogle · 27/11/2025 08:37

LuckyDipper · 27/11/2025 01:02

Choosing to become a parent is a selfish act in itself. And generally speaking many people become more selfish when they become parents, their selfishness just expands to include their family unit.

Not true

Some do, but many people put their own free life on hold, and get involved with communities, charities, a lot kids related volunteering- maybe their own kids can benefit to some extend, but it's usually the opposite of selfish.

gannett · 27/11/2025 08:40

I'm child-free and I haven't experienced this in real life. I did deliberately build up a social circle of people who aren't judgmental twats though.

I would have definitely said this opinion was more commonplace in the past than now.

IcyPuddles · 27/11/2025 08:46

I freely admit that I was totally idiot before having children. I had a successful life - career, house, social life, “stuff”. However, I largely lived to work and didn’t have a clue what was actually important.

Having DD massively changed my perspective. I wouldn’t call it wisdom and I don’t espouse it to others. I still have a career, but it’s far lower down the pecking order. Likewise socialising - love it but if I miss out on something, ho hum.

Maybe I’d have reached these conclusions with age anyway, it’s perhaps just growing up (I was nearly 40 when she was born).

But I agree, motherhood doesn’t confer wisdom or moral superiority.

BlueJuniper94 · 27/11/2025 08:50

Many cults have replaced the church. But if children really had taken the place of God in the hearts of people we would be far more child centered than we are.

I'm also not sure what you believe the distinction between personal choice and moral achievement is, can you expand please

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