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To feel sorry for the fake admiral

417 replies

MajesticWhine · 15/11/2025 04:14

It seems to be a victimless crime and I don’t think he was doing anyone any harm. Given the amount of crimes such as shoplifting that go unpunished AIBU to think this man should be let off with a caution?

‘Fake admiral’ charged after Remembrance memorial
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4d56e1d99d56fda6

‘Fake admiral’ charged after Remembrance memorial

Police ‘swiftly’ take action against retired teacher under 1894 Uniforms Act

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4d56e1d99d56fda6

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Ohthatsabitshit · 15/11/2025 07:36

He sounds like he’s lost the plot and I doubt this is the calculated action of a sane man.

WellYouWereMythTaken · 15/11/2025 07:38

TorroFerney · 15/11/2025 07:25

I would imagine that part of his personality disorder or whatever drives this also makes him believe he is cleverer than everyone else.

Oh absolutely! I can’t begin to imagine what it would be like to be that arrogant and sure of myself.

Linenpickle · 15/11/2025 07:39

Yabu. Do you realise medals are earned… that the military people go through hell and back at times, the commitment the make to the country at the expense of personal sacrifice?

Alittlefrustrated · 15/11/2025 07:39

PortSalutPlease · 15/11/2025 06:52

There are women out there who think they are in online relationships with Hollywood A listers. They definitely are. Impersonating someone who has served in the forces or a pilot are two of the most common fake lifestyles for conmen.

I went through a phase of getting frequent FB friend requests from apparently American soldiers, posing in uniform/medals in front of stars and stripes. Humerous to me, but they must get victims or they wouldn't do it.

PetuniaP · 15/11/2025 07:41

Glowingup · 15/11/2025 07:05

YANBU it’s quite clear that he’s mentally unwell.

Are all fraudsters mentally unwell? Or plain criminals?

As a veteran, I find it insulting.

Imisscoffee2021 · 15/11/2025 07:42

No I don't. It takes alot of steps to achieve that level of deception, sourcing the uniform, the medals, researching, getting into the event. What kind of person can do that with a straight face?

The armed services are a place people sacrifice time with their family, their personal life and for some their actual lives, so it is a crime to pretend to have achieved all those medals and have the gall to lay a wreath at a service of remembrance for those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Stolen valour is a crime and just because there are worse crimes, doesn't stop this being a crime in and of itself. There are plenty of people to care about plenty of crimes, there's not a finite amount of justice don't worry.

HangingOver · 15/11/2025 07:42

DobbyTheHouseElk · 15/11/2025 06:28

It’s a very strange and specific thing to lie about. Interested in the psychology behind this.

Someone I grew up with did something similar. He's been arrested multiple times for impersonation a paramedic and a police officer.

Alwaystheplusone · 15/11/2025 07:43

Bluecrystal2 · 15/11/2025 05:19

It's an insult to all who fought and died.

I'm so pleased he had his photograph splashed all over the place. Sad, pathetic creature.

Is it an insult when King Charles and the rest of them wear rows of medals and uniform despite never having served a day in their lives?

ThisCanHappen · 15/11/2025 07:43

itsgettingweird · 15/11/2025 07:17

It’s weird crime.

usually someone commits a crime because they get something out of breaking the law - some gain.

So i wonder what he was personally gaining?

Well that's an easy one to answer. Status and respect. Status he hasn't earned and respect he doesn't deserve.

These 'valour thieves' or whatever people call them are nearly always men. Infact I don't know of any women, but I'm sure someone will come along with an example. Years ago, I listened to a radio 4 interview with a doctor who had served in the army. He had written a book called something like "why men fight". He said a sentence that stuck with me and really opened my eyes about men and their behaviour. He said "testosterone is the status seeking hormone". I read most male behaviour with this in mind.

With regard to this sort of valour theft, a relative worked for the MOD in the medals office back in the day, and she told me it wasn't uncommon to receive a request for a medal from a family, saying my late dad/grandad took part in/fought at such and such campaign etc but never claimed his medal/s. She said it was always sad when she had to inform them that, erm actually no he didn't, he lied about that. These days it's easy to purchase the medals you want online, and pass them off as your own.

It happens a lot, however this chap is an extreme example and deserves to be punished for it.

Superhansrantowindsor · 15/11/2025 07:44

If it turns out he is mentally unwell then I’ll feel sorry for him.
I suspect though that he is just an attention seeker. There is a Facebook group that hunts down fake veterans like this - people at remembrance events wearing medals and uniforms they haven’t earned. Never seen one quite as audacious as this man.
I agree with PP- people go through hell to get some of these medals. It is insulting to them that people pretend to have earns them.

ohwoaw · 15/11/2025 07:45

We can’t let everyone off if they’re a bit weird/sad. He knew what he was doing

GnomeDePlume · 15/11/2025 07:47

The former chief constable of Northamptonshire did it to bolster his otherwise lacklustre CV.

Glowingup · 15/11/2025 07:47

PetuniaP · 15/11/2025 07:41

Are all fraudsters mentally unwell? Or plain criminals?

As a veteran, I find it insulting.

No but it’s extremely odd behaviour for someone who is retired from a respected profession (I’d have more respect for his former teaching career than any army thing tbh). Nobody was hurt in the way other crimes do. He hasn’t made any gain from it either. The RF wear umpteen medals and none of them have seen active service. Not all criminals are mentally unwell but I suspect this man is.

user7638490 · 15/11/2025 07:48

I think it’s also a security and a safeguarding risk, if anyone can insert themselves into a parade like that.

MirrorMirror1247 · 15/11/2025 07:48

Alwaystheplusone · 15/11/2025 07:43

Is it an insult when King Charles and the rest of them wear rows of medals and uniform despite never having served a day in their lives?

What are you talking about? The King was in the Navy and the RAF. Prince William was in the Army and RAF. Prince Harry did two tours of Afghanistan during his time in the Army.

itsgettingweird · 15/11/2025 07:49

ThisCanHappen · 15/11/2025 07:43

Well that's an easy one to answer. Status and respect. Status he hasn't earned and respect he doesn't deserve.

These 'valour thieves' or whatever people call them are nearly always men. Infact I don't know of any women, but I'm sure someone will come along with an example. Years ago, I listened to a radio 4 interview with a doctor who had served in the army. He had written a book called something like "why men fight". He said a sentence that stuck with me and really opened my eyes about men and their behaviour. He said "testosterone is the status seeking hormone". I read most male behaviour with this in mind.

With regard to this sort of valour theft, a relative worked for the MOD in the medals office back in the day, and she told me it wasn't uncommon to receive a request for a medal from a family, saying my late dad/grandad took part in/fought at such and such campaign etc but never claimed his medal/s. She said it was always sad when she had to inform them that, erm actually no he didn't, he lied about that. These days it's easy to purchase the medals you want online, and pass them off as your own.

It happens a lot, however this chap is an extreme example and deserves to be punished for it.

Oohhh that’s interesting and makes perfect sense - thanks

Alpacajigsaw · 15/11/2025 07:49

I don’t feel sorry for him but I don’t think it’s much worse than the Royal Family members who seem to get away with raiding the dressing up box every Remembrance Sunday. And yes I know they’ve had “permission” but in most cases they haven’t actually done anything to earn the uniform or medals.

lacefan · 15/11/2025 07:50

MajesticWhine · 15/11/2025 04:53

I’m not saying it’s ok. It makes me think he must be a bit sad/unwell to behave like that.

Er, lots of crimes are committed by people who are sad and or/unwell. Doesn't make it deserving of sympathy

upseedaisee · 15/11/2025 07:51

No. It is not a victimless crime. Stolen valour is almost traiterous. Parading in medals not earned is despicable and deserves everything and more the court will throw at him. Men and women who died in the service of this country deserve better.

PinkFootstool · 15/11/2025 07:51

Alwaystheplusone · 15/11/2025 07:43

Is it an insult when King Charles and the rest of them wear rows of medals and uniform despite never having served a day in their lives?

I take it you don't know that medals are not just issued to military personnel?

Police, Prison Service, Ambulance, Fire all have them, plus all the civilian medals available for other "services" to the country.

Backinajiffy · 15/11/2025 07:53

Alwaystheplusone · 15/11/2025 07:43

Is it an insult when King Charles and the rest of them wear rows of medals and uniform despite never having served a day in their lives?

Here we go… You need to do some research and not parrot these prejudices.

KC commanded a RN minesweeper while he was serving in the RN. Most of the others have either active service, or hold honorary rank and perform the duties that come with that.

Dampsquibs · 15/11/2025 07:56

This deluded guy looks like he might have been rummaging in the wheelie bins at Royal Lodge, Windsor 😄

Thortour · 15/11/2025 07:59

He’s clearly very unwell. Stolen valour is an odd thing.
Has anyone been to the Imperial War Museum? They had an exhibition of Victoria Cross medals which had been acquired by Lord Ashcroft. If felt odd, his name was everywhere. I wondered what would make you collect all these medals you hadn’t won and display them in a space where your name is the biggest. It’s closed now and apparently Lord Ashcroft wasn’t happy.
Some men are odd about these things.
My dad was a soldier, he never spoke about it and it wasn’t until he died that we found his medals. He would never wear a poppy and despaired of men obsessed with war.

sashh · 15/11/2025 07:59

Lambington · 15/11/2025 06:41

From the thread title I thought this was going to be about Andrew Windsor.

Me too.

And Andrew has been pretending to be an admiral for years.

The only people who should be wearing medals are the people who earned them, or if they are deceased their next of kin.

littlebilliie · 15/11/2025 08:01

Alwaystheplusone · 15/11/2025 07:43

Is it an insult when King Charles and the rest of them wear rows of medals and uniform despite never having served a day in their lives?

@Alwaystheplusone what an embarrassing post, you you read about the military service and Royal family.