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Get Britain Working is totally missing the current employment crisis economy

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myotheraccountsa · 11/11/2025 08:01

Just read the BBC article about rate of UK unemployment up to 5% - the gvmt saying people should question the accuracy of this data, but also that it ties into their campaign to "Get Britain working".

I am mind blown. Are they not seeing what I'm seeing? This isn't an issue with people on benefits etc -

There's a huge new tidal wave of very highly qualified people who have been merrily working for all their lives, now made redundant or upon leaving theor jobs literally cannot find anything. There's a Mid-Senior level crisis all over LinkedIn - 500+ people applying for every 1 job. People searching for over a year with hundreds of applications, interviews, and getting nothing. Basically being told that nowadays the only way to get a job is through networking - it's back to who you know, not what you know.

And then the government act all surprised and like they haven't taxed businesses on workers to the point that they're cutting heads wherever they can? Or that they are oblivious to this and everyone should "get back to work" like it's easy for an ex-SVP to persuade the local chippy they're the ideal employee (even if they're desperate and would willingly work there).

Madness.

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Jems557 · 15/11/2025 10:05

24601a · 11/11/2025 08:34

You also need to factor in our wages and taxation system failing to incentivise the outcomes the government wants.

Minimum wage at mid 20k a year for working in Tesco Vs the lab supervisor with huge responsibility and multiple degrees on 30k a year. Not that I'm saying Tesco is easy, but we need an honest look in this country about what responsibilities pay because it's no wonder many people are now saying fuck this. I have loads of examples of people in my social network reviewing what they're doing.. the jobs that used to be a chunk of remuneration a above minimum wage just aren't attractive enough. All sorts of roles. I have one family member who's had her temp job shop manager turn into a permie job offer but she's mulling other options because for about 20p an hour more is it worth the abuse , early opens, late lock ups, being on call for security alarms. Hell nope. Maybe if it paid enough to own a small flat or living life like an independent worker adult yes.. but that's just not true any more.

Then you have the 100k tax cliff where people just go down to 4 days a week rather than be hit by the slams of childcare no longer funded, loss of personal allowance, student loan repayments, etc plus the higher taxes we pay on income in Scotland.. there's absolutely no point pushing to get more stress and responsibility if you barely see any reward for missing even more sports days, having no work life balance, being run ragged by your employer. I can speak with more authority on this one because for the first time in my life, having been a go go go go full on careerist all my life, I'm looking at what I have for it and starting to think about how attractive that 3 or 4 day work week looks for barely any loss in net income Vs being able to see the kids more and just.. I don't know. I strongly believe in the welfare state and paying taxes. But. We're in trouble when people like me are seriously considering stepping back.

Yes I cannot understand why the government doesn’t do something about the high marginal tax rates, they are killing the economy and the government is missing out on the 42% tax people would of been happy to pay

OhDear111 · 15/11/2025 14:45

@Jems557 Unfortunately lab supervisors are easy to find. Vast numbers of grads in this field as expansion of universities has produced them. It’s supply and demand. Not all stem pays well. It’s choice isn’t it? Make one with better pay outcomes. Plus I don’t begrudge any supermarket worker getting minimum wage. We need food shops!

Jems557 · 15/11/2025 18:30

OhDear111 · 15/11/2025 14:45

@Jems557 Unfortunately lab supervisors are easy to find. Vast numbers of grads in this field as expansion of universities has produced them. It’s supply and demand. Not all stem pays well. It’s choice isn’t it? Make one with better pay outcomes. Plus I don’t begrudge any supermarket worker getting minimum wage. We need food shops!

Certainly don’t begrudge people getting the minimum wage either

Pharazon · 16/11/2025 10:33

OhDear111 · 14/11/2025 12:04

A junior doctor starting salary was £22,000 in 2000. It’s forgetful all media grads were starting on £25,000. However nearly every grad profession has seen static starting salaries. Except doctors . Look at engineering and msny jobs not in the private sector.l where profit snd output matter, Many salaries have been static. However that makes choice of degree and career vital doesn’t it?

Our starting salaries for new graduates in 2000 (I was one) was £40k. Admittedly we were in over-exuberant startup mode at the height of the dotcom bubble, but 25 years later and our starting salary for new graduates is…£40k.

OhDear111 · 16/11/2025 20:18

@PharazonIn 2000 that was a stonking starting salary. More than city law grad jobs by a long way in 2000. So it’s really out of kilter with the norm. For any sector. However grad salaries have been static for 15 years. Especially some engineering roles. Many grad jobs in London are very low too - start on £25,000 pa. Way less than a nurse or teacher who people think are low paid and need food banks! It’s over supply of grads - mostly.

OhDear111 · 16/11/2025 20:24

This was in The Guardian in 2000.

Get Britain Working is totally missing the current employment crisis economy
Pharazon · 17/11/2025 11:11

OhDear111 · 16/11/2025 20:18

@PharazonIn 2000 that was a stonking starting salary. More than city law grad jobs by a long way in 2000. So it’s really out of kilter with the norm. For any sector. However grad salaries have been static for 15 years. Especially some engineering roles. Many grad jobs in London are very low too - start on £25,000 pa. Way less than a nurse or teacher who people think are low paid and need food banks! It’s over supply of grads - mostly.

It was par for the course for startups in 1999-2000. Also came with a bunch of stock options (which were obviously worthless after the dotcom crash). It was quite bonkers. We pitied our fellow grads who didn't get a job in a startup and had to settle for a quant job at Goldman Sachs or Merril Lynch 😆

WaryCrow · 17/11/2025 18:00

LilySad91 · 13/11/2025 16:49

Just seen the economic figures. Everything is worse than expected and September saw negative growth.

Who would have thought that raising taxes would not make good economic sense?

This is just politics. Playing politics, picking one party of elites over another, while our entire economy is collapsing around us.

This is not about politics. This is about how people are going to live in a grossly overpopulated country with massively inflated prices and living costs, where meritocracy is dead and all that matters for life is who your grandparents were and what inheritance they gave you. In a country where one sector after another is collapsing like dominoes killed by computers, globalism and greed.

Stop playing bloody politics in bloody London and tell us how we can live in future, never mind fiddling while Rome burns.

Pharazon · 17/11/2025 18:14

They don't know. No-one does. Stock up on canned food and water purifier tablets and learn how to skin a rabbit (or cat) is my advice.

DRose3 · 17/11/2025 20:08

I have excellent experience 20+ years, and haven’t been able to find a job - nearly 1 year of searching. Every application is tailored & ATS scores checked. Not even a temporary role at Christmas in the supermarket. It’s a f joke. Not sure what’s next for me, give up working altogether? Not much left in the savings pot. Aged out, AI’ed out.

At this point, I’m starting to think being hopeful might be delusional.

DRose3 · 17/11/2025 20:50

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 11/11/2025 09:35

I don't know what else to say? I won't share the sector or further details that would identify the organisation.

I can only say that we just don't see many high calibre applicants these days - not like we did before. It isn't just our organisation either - I know others that are struggling to find the right people.

I find this really hard to believe. This isn’t painting the full picture, and you’re probably overlooking various factors, as good roles at good companies get snapped up rapidly. Or your recruiters aren’t doing their jobs well - as someone with a background in recruitment.

As far as benchmarking goes, I’ve seen EA roles in London advertised at 30k! Similarly roles requiring 5 years of experience and a masters degree paying less than 30k.

Employers are underpaying because they know candidates are desperate and that the job market is horrendous. Many roles are paying far less than they were even last year. Compensation is poor, and statutory holiday and pension are often the only benefits being offered.

This means that it might not even be financially feasible to work due to childcare, COL, or transportation costs.

Additionally, an insistence on hybrid working (typically 3-4 days or 5 days onsite) means many people can no longer afford the commute on the much lower salaries. It also means that disabled people might not be applying, and you’ll see less parents being able to work those roles due to the lack of flexibility.

And on top of all this, many employers paying a good wage, expect you to be connected to work constantly (email/phone) & to forgo a good work-life balance.

To put it into perspective, 20 years ago I was on 21k in London in a finance role in corporate, I’m still seeing roles paying salaries in the low 20s.

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