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Our school has banned the word Christmas?

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Fayethefair · 09/11/2025 09:30

I’ve heard from a friend on my DD’s school’s ptfa that our Cambridgeshire school has banned the word Christmas to make the school events feel more inclusive. So now it’s Festive Party, Festive Fayre etc. I’m happy to let mumsnet know the name of the school if they don’t feel this post is genuine so they can check this themselves but I won’t put names on here as this is my child’s school, I just don’t think this right and want to see what others think.

My daughter attended a Diwali lunch put on by the school recently and I genuinely thought this was lovely. I feel everything should be represented equally, I don’t understand or agree that the head should be picking and choosing what’s allowed and what isn’t. Surely this isn’t right?

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user5687921 · 09/11/2025 17:45

Delphiniumandlupins · 09/11/2025 17:36

I don't think renaming two events as a Winter or Festive Fair/Fayre and Party equates to banning the use of the word Christmas! I expect it will still be widely used throughout the school.

Until this happens

Our school has banned the word Christmas?
cardibach · 09/11/2025 18:24

Livelovebehappy · 09/11/2025 17:21

Sorry. Meant Hindu celebration 🙈. I guess I just don’t think celebrations of other minority religions are necessary in schools. I’m assuming other schools with majority religions don’t celebrate other religions either? If religion is important to you, I think just send your child to a school which focuses on that religion. I don’t think you should choose a school and then be offended if the school doesn’t actively celebrate your religion.

Does that go for Christianity in non-church schools? Because that’s not how your earlier post read.

SerendipityJane · 09/11/2025 18:27

I guess I just don’t think

Could be the motto of this thread

countrygirl99 · 09/11/2025 18:30

Gallowayan · 09/11/2025 10:16

I find it believable and these things can be verified

Years ago Birmingham City Council adopted the term "Winterval" (Ouch)to replace "Christmas"in case the use of the word Christmas caused offence.

Bollocks. It covered a whole range of winter stuff including Christmas. Ditto Luton

countrygirl99 · 09/11/2025 18:33

Claiming Christmas is banned is an old Cambridgeshire tradition that my parents indulged in for years despite their town having Christmas lights, attending DCs nativity plays and various Christmas events. Nothing would convince them that "they" hadn't banned Christmas to avoid offending immigrants.

AsMyWhimsy · 09/11/2025 18:41

countrygirl99 · 09/11/2025 18:30

Bollocks. It covered a whole range of winter stuff including Christmas. Ditto Luton

Indeed. And Birmingham’s events officer only marketed city centre all-winter festivities as ‘Winterval’ for a mere two years in the 90s, and yet its given rise to so many conspiracy theories you’d imagine the town council was run by a posse of hardline imams empowered to give anyone uttering the word ‘Christmas’ a hefty electric shock, increasing in strength for subsequent offences. 🙄

Cerezo · 09/11/2025 18:44

No they haven’t. £5 to charity says they’re rebranded the Xmas party and the people of Wisbech St Mary have been sick over their party frocks. If there is any such communication of a “ban” I’ll eat my gammony over excited hat.

ainsleysanob · 09/11/2025 18:47

Parker231 · 09/11/2025 16:44

Christianity is a declining religion in the uk - does it really matter what a party or event is called? A winter party and winter fair?

So, why not leave it as Christmas Party or Christmas Fayre? If it doesn’t matter?

suburburban · 09/11/2025 18:49

ainsleysanob · 09/11/2025 18:47

So, why not leave it as Christmas Party or Christmas Fayre? If it doesn’t matter?

Exactly

i think quite a lot of young people are interested in Christianity

user5687921 · 09/11/2025 18:52

This thread is really making me wish they would bring back the laugh emoji. So many different possible uses for it here.

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 18:53

suburburban · 09/11/2025 18:49

Exactly

i think quite a lot of young people are interested in Christianity

They can celebrate it in church on Christmas eve or day.

They won't lose interest by going to a winter fair, party, wonderland.

user5687921 · 09/11/2025 18:55

suburburban · 09/11/2025 18:49

Exactly

i think quite a lot of young people are interested in Christianity

And they learn about it. In RE. At home. In churches. On social media and in books. But rarely through school fairs.

Although I have read that the crusaders did an amazing cake stall.

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 19:02

user5687921 · 09/11/2025 18:55

And they learn about it. In RE. At home. In churches. On social media and in books. But rarely through school fairs.

Although I have read that the crusaders did an amazing cake stall.

The maltesers on top were the icing on the cake

user5687921 · 09/11/2025 19:05

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 19:02

The maltesers on top were the icing on the cake

Edited

😂

BundleBoogie · 09/11/2025 19:12

Allergictoironing · 09/11/2025 16:04

What erosion of Christianity are you talking about? Nobody is suggesting we don't have Nativity plays, or carol concerts, or people shouldn't go to church on Christmas Day. Nobody is saying we should rename any Christian aspect of the season, just bits that aren't specific to it.

All we are asking is that all the other myriad festivals at the same time of year, most of which have been co-opted by Christmas, are considered.

What has a sale of goods, even if for charity, got to do with the birth of Christ? Or feasting, partying and/or giving gifts - those practices were part of the mid-winter festivals millennia before the birth of Christ, not specifically introduced at this time of year for his birth? What have decorated trees got to do with his birth? Bringing evergreens into the house?

As someone who believes in one of the most discriminated (by Christians no less) faiths, I feel my beliefs have been eroded historically by Christianity smothering our festivals by celebrating theirs at a time of year that has been proven to be historically impossible for it to have occurred. By building churches on top of our sacred places of worship. By burning & hanging innocent women who happened to know a bit about herbal remedies.

At least SOME religions don't slaughter members of the same faith because they interpret a few words in a slightly different way!

Such defensiveness but you didn’t address my point.

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 09/11/2025 19:15

Fayethefair · 09/11/2025 13:05

@suburburban this is exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. They are both religious events. They are both events celebrated at the school. Yet one is allowed to be named and one is not. It is as black and white as that. People making ridiculous arguments like one is shorter so that’s okay is actually quite pathetic. There were posters up all over the school wishing the pupils a Happy Diwali yet if we put up a Happy Christmas poster it wouldn’t be allowed.

What I find so interesting with all of this is the irony in that I would actually like the school to see the inclusivity of naming ALL religious celebrations openly and freely, yet I’m being the one called a Bigot. It appears that bigotry doesn’t apply the other way round.

"it wouldn't be allowed"

You don't know that. You've decided that based on little evidence.

Crunchingleaf · 09/11/2025 19:19

ainsleysanob · 09/11/2025 18:47

So, why not leave it as Christmas Party or Christmas Fayre? If it doesn’t matter?

Exactly this.

suburburban · 09/11/2025 19:24

user5687921 · 09/11/2025 18:55

And they learn about it. In RE. At home. In churches. On social media and in books. But rarely through school fairs.

Although I have read that the crusaders did an amazing cake stall.

Lol

what was there bestseller

CrispySquid · 09/11/2025 19:27

What did the school say when you enquired with them if it was true or not which I assumed you did before posting this and whipping up a frenzy because that’s the fist logical step.

Have you actually approached the school and asked for clarification or is this just a rumour you believe instantly?

Rumours about schools “banning Christmas” happens every year like clockwork. You see it on social media and in newspapers all the time and 99.9% of the time the school says it’s nonsense and no such thing has happened. But it’s too late. So many people have already read the fake story so assume it to be true and it just feeds their already entrenched ideology further which was the intention of the original rumour spreader. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not.

Allergictoironing · 09/11/2025 19:31

BundleBoogie · 09/11/2025 19:12

Such defensiveness but you didn’t address my point.

And you aren't being "defensive" about how in your view there's "blatant anti Christian discrimination"? Your point was that you felt this was happening, and that there had been erosion of the Christian festival of Christmas.

I asked for clarification in my first paragraph about how you felt Christianity had been eroded, bearing in mind that many of the things nowadays dubbed "Christmas" actually have nothing to do with Christianity but were very generic widely celebrated things that take place in many different religions.

I can't really "address your point" when it's a personal view on your part - you feel Christianity is being eroded, I don't. And if it IS, then that could be the fault of all these unrelated events being called "Christmas" whatevers, thus detracting from the real meaning of the season to Christians.

One aspect of your post that I did address is your feelings that there's an Anti-Christianity bias, by pointing out that Christianity as a whole has been one of the most discriminatory religions around, so it's a bit rich complaining that others don't give up their own traditions so you can kidnap them.

By the way, there's nothing defensive about educating people who seem to have little grasp of things which don't directly support their own beliefs!

Allswellthatendswelll · 09/11/2025 19:46

ChocolateCinderToffee · 09/11/2025 16:10

Are you sure it's not just banned until, for example, 1 December? I could get on board with that.

Yes! November is autumn 🍂. 3 weeks build up is enough!

TimetodoEverything · 09/11/2025 20:01

i had a team member at work who was a Jehovah’s Witness. If I called our team Christmas lunch ‘Christmas lunch’ she couldn’t come. If I called it ‘lunch’ she could come.

We weren’t working in a church, there was nothing religious about our Christmas lunch, so obviously we just changed the invite name.

Mlddleoftheroad · 09/11/2025 20:07

It's amazing how many people claiming the loss of Christian traditions, know so little about them, or the history behind them.

Since when has shopping been a Christian tradition?

Cerezo · 09/11/2025 20:23

Allergictoironing · 09/11/2025 16:04

What erosion of Christianity are you talking about? Nobody is suggesting we don't have Nativity plays, or carol concerts, or people shouldn't go to church on Christmas Day. Nobody is saying we should rename any Christian aspect of the season, just bits that aren't specific to it.

All we are asking is that all the other myriad festivals at the same time of year, most of which have been co-opted by Christmas, are considered.

What has a sale of goods, even if for charity, got to do with the birth of Christ? Or feasting, partying and/or giving gifts - those practices were part of the mid-winter festivals millennia before the birth of Christ, not specifically introduced at this time of year for his birth? What have decorated trees got to do with his birth? Bringing evergreens into the house?

As someone who believes in one of the most discriminated (by Christians no less) faiths, I feel my beliefs have been eroded historically by Christianity smothering our festivals by celebrating theirs at a time of year that has been proven to be historically impossible for it to have occurred. By building churches on top of our sacred places of worship. By burning & hanging innocent women who happened to know a bit about herbal remedies.

At least SOME religions don't slaughter members of the same faith because they interpret a few words in a slightly different way!

Ummmm. Which religions without murder over interpretation of a few words are you hanging your hat on there, chief?

GaIadriel · 09/11/2025 20:28

We should definitely prioritise other cultures like they do in the middle east.