Southport Muders. I can't help thinking that this person's parents should have done something

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Southport killer's father regrets not calling police over machete - BBC News

Quote: She said: "As a mother, I grieve for my own son but most all for the innocent lives lost and that have been devastated'.

His mother's statement talks about her son before she condemns his acts. My feeling is that she still doesn't get it & isn't taking responsibility for her part in these murders.

I don't grieve for her son, I grieve for the parents and family of the children who were murdered & the potential that they had. 😥

Or maybe I'm being unreasonable & should forgive.

It has been widely reported that the parents sought help numerous of times and agencies did not intervene, professional agencies did not act on the concerns his parents repeatedly raised.
What else were they expected to do? Please tell me that.

What would happen if someone actually reported their child to the police? Unless it was for pronoun misuse they don't seem to give a shit about investigating anything.

Call the police like the headline bloody says 🙄

Radio 4 entirely damning of parents in news bulletins today.

Children don’t grow up in a vacuum. Bad parenting plays the biggest part in them turning out rotten. Bad parents don’t like to hear it. They will blame anyone and everyone else, the government, the neighbours, the cat. But they need to own how their children turn out.

Raise him better?

Novel idea, I know.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a mother to grieve for her son as well as the children killed

i don’t grieve for him, I think k we should have the death sentence for monster like him, but as a mother I understand her stance

his family were clearly terrified of him, I don’t know if they did enough to stop him or get him help

I thought they had called the police, and all the police did was pick him up and drive him home! I don't disagree that they should have reported the knife buying to the police but once you have done something time and time again with no help given, then what else is there to do? It's frightening that someone so disturbed that their family thinks he's going to kill them it's just left after several referrals to the authorities.

From what I have read - re the inquiry,
the parents and older brother were terrified of him,
knew he was violent- he was attacking the father and stabbing furniture and the family had been hiding the knives in the house for the previous couple of years
but they withheld information from Cahms and support workers
they minimised and lied
they knew he was ordering weapons
the father said when the heard about the attack on the girls on the news …. He immediately thought it would have been his son …
parents should be held accountable for colluding with and enabling a violent piece of shit -

The Dad paid for the knife, accepted the Amazon order (birth year needed)
Bought him the seeds for making Ricin
All whilst knowing how dangerous he was
I personally think he should be facing charges
He enabled him to do what he did
I know that won't be popular
But if I was a farmer. Had a gun license
Knew one of my girls had been radicalised and was a danger
But purchased them a gun they otherwise would not be able to have....
I'd be investigated and rightly so

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with the death sentence. When I was a teenager my close friend was raped & murdered. Her mother, a Christian, visited her murderer in prison & asked us to pray for him. She was a remarkable woman. I follow her example.

However, this murderer's mother talked about her son before the babies that he murdered. It says a lot about her thinking. Personally, if one of my sons had done (God forbid) this I'd be on my knees before his victim's parents asking their forgiveness, not asking for forgiveness for my son.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to grieve for what could have been. But it sounds like their son had ongoing issues and they buried their heads in the sand. Ricin for gardening? They didn’t wonder how he got hold of it while being a literal child? I’d have questions personally.

My heart goes out to the parents of those 3 girls as well as all the other families who have been affected by what that monster did. It’s bad enough to have your child so brutally murdered but I can’t imagine the pain of listening to evidence of how it could have been prevented, if only people who knew him or knew of him, had done things differently.

It feels like the parents had been shielding the severity of his behaviour from the relevant authorities for years.

I'm guessing the mum feared her son being taken into care, and was being bullied, maybe also lose other kids if she has them?

The dad I think was scared of his son and allowed himself to be dominated. Burying his head in the sand. Trying to contain the increasing risk within the family. Almost becoming numb to it. It feels extraordinary lax parenting. Once he was expelled from school it seemed his behaviour was allowed to spiral unchecked.

I wonder how much involvement they had with SS and other safeguarding authorities? Why didn't they seek help for him ages ago? Or maybe they did and the system failed the whole family?

I agree that bad parenting is a huge problem - but the Southport killer's brother seems to have turned out to be a nice, normal young man (studying at a good university, pursuing a career despite having a physical disability etc). I can't work out how the two boys could have turned out so differently when they were raised together.

I do agree though that some of the things the parents have said in the inquiry just don't add up, and I do think they could have done more.

from the inquiry it has been evidenced that Cahms and social services tried to assess but the parents actively with held information about his violent behaviour -
they were aware he was violent
wanted to punish society
the brother said he wanted to harm children as that would punish society the most
they were aware and were PAYING for and accepting delivery of machetes, knives and cross bow
they should be charged with assisting an offender - how are they not culpable ??

It beggars belief that they allowed a machete, knives, ricin and a crossbow into their home. What young person needs any of those things? I found their testimonies unconvincing tbh.