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To feel offended by this email from the school?

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PupilpremiumWTF · 24/10/2025 21:47

I think I'll just post the email without any elaboration for now, and see what people think, this is copied and pasted directly, with identifying info changed:

Dear Mrs X,

It’s great to be able to invite you to a special evening for parents of our Pupil Premium students in Years 7, 8 and 9 on Thursday 20th November 2025.

We’ll be starting with a light buffet tea from 5:00 pm, giving you the chance to chat informally with staff and other parents before the evenings presentations begin.

At 5:30 pm, I’ll give a short overview of how we use Pupil Premium funding here at school to support students’ learning and wellbeing, and to help every child make the best possible progress.

From 6.00 pm to 7:00 pm, we will to be joined by Elevate Education, who will deliver a practical, engaging seminar designed to help parents support learning at home.

Topics covered will include:

- Time Management – helping your child to plan effectively and avoid last-minute stress.

  • - Study Support – understanding what effective study looks like and how to make it stick.
  • - Motivation – discovering what really drives student motivation and how to nurture it.
  • - Parent E-book Access – every parent attending will receive a free e-book full of strategies and guidance.

This is a brilliant opportunity to pick up some useful ideas and find out more about how we’re supporting your child’s progress in school.

I really hope you’ll be able to join us for what promises to be an enjoyable and informative evening.

Please let us know if you can attend by completing the form on EduLink.

Kind regards,

Mr Y
Senior Assistant Headteacher

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Needlenardlenoo · 25/10/2025 15:56

ThisOldThang · 25/10/2025 15:21

That's clearly not what I've said.

I've asked if an overall population level disparity in academic achievement between the children of the financially successful and Pupil Premium children is to be expected. I also asked if we should be more concerned about geographic areas with achievement below the average.

For example (using completely made up numbers):

UK average GCSE results = 50%
UK average GCSE results for PP = 40%
UK average GCSE results for rich= 60%

Area A GCSE results = 80%
Area A GCSE results for PP = 70%
Area A GCSE results for rich = 90%

Area B GCSE results = 30%
Area B GCSE results for PP = 20%
Area B GCSE results for rich = 40%

The difference between the Pupil Premium and 'rich' children may exist everywhere, but differences between geographic regions might be huge.

I, personally, don't think it is possible to eradicate the difference in achievement between PP and non-PP at a population level, because genetics will play a part - i.e. intelligent people are more likely to have intelligent children and intelligent people earn more money. There will always be exceptions, and nurture will play a massive part, but I think that's just reality. There was a boy on Channel 4's Child Genius programme who's dad was a nuclear physicist. It showed.

I'm not saying we give up on PP kids, but I think we should also be looking at nationwide trends to focus funding in failing regions. I think that might provide the best outcome by improving the entire school systems in those regions.

You don't need to invent figures. They're readily available on the .gov site.

The gap's around 25% between PP and non PP nationally (meaning England) (for core GCSEs at "passing" grades). I posted the figures earlier. "Non PP" doesn't mean "rich". Real wages have lagged prices for a considerable time in this country.

The government were trying to amend the school funding formula a few years back (for England) to address regional imbalances, but it would have meant taking funding from London schools which historically have been funded above average.

PP is redistributive though. North Eastern schools have the highest rates in the country, over 35%.

The tax take that pays for the education system, including PP, comes largely from London and the SE with the rest of the country being net recipients on the whole (meaning the UK).

It's a minefield...

GrimDamnFanjo · 25/10/2025 16:01

QuirkyHorse · 24/10/2025 21:52

PP students are generally in the under performing part of the cohort.
This school looks like they are addressing that, can't fault them.

There is no shame in being a PP student.

As a school governor who sees the data I totally agree. The school is doing its best to help level the playing field.

GrimDamnFanjo · 25/10/2025 16:05

londongirl12 · 25/10/2025 15:23

A quick google search shows pupils in receipt of pupil premium do not perform as well as their peers in school. Obviously a generalisation, but figures suggest it’s true to some extent. So the school are trying to do whatever they can to support parents, which will benefit the pupils. Sounds like you’re embarrassed of being thought of being a bad parent. Just don’t go if no don’t want to. I think it’s good the school is at least trying to help.

It’s unfortunately true. Schools consistently intervene to help close the gap. There will always be individual outliers but across any cohort Nationally PP kids don’t perform as well.

sittingonabeach · 25/10/2025 16:06

@ThisOldThang the Government seems to do that in reverse! Devon is an area that gets some of the lowest funding for schools under the funding formula.

And the results for disadvantaged pupils are some of the lowest too. See attached

To feel offended by this email from the school?
Tralalalama · 25/10/2025 16:16

Basically OP w are lucky to live in a country that is giving PP to some students - extra funding wahoo! And you are finding it hard to swallow as you don’t want the stigma of being PP. but you are PP, so grab any help with both hands.

yourewelcomethen · 25/10/2025 16:19

Tralalalama · 25/10/2025 16:16

Basically OP w are lucky to live in a country that is giving PP to some students - extra funding wahoo! And you are finding it hard to swallow as you don’t want the stigma of being PP. but you are PP, so grab any help with both hands.

Ha ha ha ha.

You think the government who brought it in did so out of compassion?

TeenToTwenties · 25/10/2025 16:20

yourewelcomethen · 25/10/2025 16:19

Ha ha ha ha.

You think the government who brought it in did so out of compassion?

Iirc it was brought in by the coalition government to close the gap. Can't see what is wrong with that?

yourewelcomethen · 25/10/2025 16:21

TeenToTwenties · 25/10/2025 16:20

Iirc it was brought in by the coalition government to close the gap. Can't see what is wrong with that?

Perhaps if they hadn’t taken a fuckload of other stuff away as well I would see it as a positive initiative.

whitewine25 · 25/10/2025 16:21

Am i missing something but looks fine to me?

Thekidsarefightingagain · 25/10/2025 16:35

whitewine25 · 25/10/2025 16:21

Am i missing something but looks fine to me?

It can make parents of children on PP feel that they lack skills that others don't, risks breaching privacy and can feel quite stigmatising.

sittingonabeach · 25/10/2025 16:52

@Thekidsarefightingagain other parents won’t know who this has been sent to. The parents then have a choice to attend.

Assume if you don’t attend you might be sent links, copy of slides etc.

Statistics show PP children are generally disadvantaged educationally. Schools have to show how they are spending PP funding on all PP children not just those who have low attainment.

illsendansostotheworld · 25/10/2025 17:04

QuirkyHorse · 24/10/2025 21:52

PP students are generally in the under performing part of the cohort.
This school looks like they are addressing that, can't fault them.

There is no shame in being a PP student.

Exactly this.

cloudtreecarpet · 25/10/2025 17:07

Thekidsarefightingagain · 25/10/2025 16:35

It can make parents of children on PP feel that they lack skills that others don't, risks breaching privacy and can feel quite stigmatising.

I honestly don't see it as that and am sure that's not what it's about.
Those ideas/skills are relevant to all new pupils and any parent of a secondary school pupil would probably learn something useful if they attended.
But the school have chosen to use PP funding to offer something useful & extra to PP families.

Rather than being offended & posting on MN, why doesn't the OP see it as what is is, an offer of some extra info that she is lucky to receive.

I think the OP has revealed more about her view & attitude towards PP families than the school actually has.

Skybluepinky · 25/10/2025 17:34

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Spanglemum02 · 25/10/2025 17:43

I think you have valid point OP and i would make it to the school and ask thrm to explain. I'd also want assuramces that rhe company doing the presentation aren't going to try and sell you something.

sunshinemode · 25/10/2025 17:53

PupilpremiumWTF · 24/10/2025 21:57

Yes, I am party upset about the identifying part, I'd prefer to go to a talk everyone was invited to. I do know I can chose not to go though, and I won't be.

Secondly, I'm offended that they seem to think I need help with time management and knowing what effective study looks like. This would be fine if offered to all parents, but why do they think PP families need it and they don't need to invite others?
Do they assume I can't ever have studied and can't time manage?

I also don't need their buffet tea 😄

It's not your timemanagement that they will be offering you tips on but how to help your child with their time management, something lots of kids with additional needs struggle with

Thekidsarefightingagain · 25/10/2025 17:54

I wonder if the company are funding the cost of the food as that often happens with events. They probably will try to sell something.

Jorge14 · 25/10/2025 17:56

I’ve got to be honest I found the email a bit patronising, why have they assumed you need time management and motivational skills. Unless I believed I needed help in these areas I wouldn’t attend. I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it though either. Just a no thank you from me

starsinthedarksky · 25/10/2025 18:00

PupilpremiumWTF · 24/10/2025 21:57

Yes, I am party upset about the identifying part, I'd prefer to go to a talk everyone was invited to. I do know I can chose not to go though, and I won't be.

Secondly, I'm offended that they seem to think I need help with time management and knowing what effective study looks like. This would be fine if offered to all parents, but why do they think PP families need it and they don't need to invite others?
Do they assume I can't ever have studied and can't time manage?

I also don't need their buffet tea 😄

Because the statistics show that children on PP do achieve lower grades than people who aren’t. That’s the whole point of PP to help those children achieve their potential. Lower income parents may not have had a good education, role models, routine etc and this is to help with that. There also may be looked after children who struggle with those things and some parents might want support on how to help their child.

It’s an offer of help, not a demand. If you need it, take it. If you don’t, then don’t. No need to get offended over it.

My children aren’t in school but one of them does receive PP at nursery. I wouldn’t really care if anyone knew but I understand why you wouldn’t want to be identified.

Thekidsarefightingagain · 25/10/2025 18:02

It's kind of like offering parents of children with SEND a parenting course and identifying the children with SEND.

sittingonabeach · 25/10/2025 18:03

If the company are trying to sell something they are looking at the wrong demographic of the parent group.

sittingonabeach · 25/10/2025 18:06

@Thekidsarefightingagain schools do offer sessions for parents of children with SEND, and may get other organisations in who can offer support.

The session offered to OP is to give ideas on how they can help their DC with their studying time management etc

User79853257976 · 25/10/2025 18:07

I understand why you’re offended but they have probably identified that their PP cohort tends to do less well than they should based on prior attainment or maybe in comparison to the non-PP. This is one thing they are trying.

eulmh · 25/10/2025 18:08

They will be targeting PP parents as those children (as shown by the evidence) don’t tend to do as well overall in their GCSEs. That’s a total generalisation obviously. To be honest it sounds really useful and it’s a shame they don’t have the capacity to offer it to all but this will be in their SIP of how they are helping those groups that tend to underachieve vs the average. It’s partly box ticking but actually also sounds like a genuinely good idea. I’d definitely be interested if I were a PP parent.

ellyeth · 25/10/2025 18:13

I would be extremely offended that it is only for students receiving a pupil premium. I think the subject matter is very important and could be helpful - but for all parents. It implies that all children receiving a pupil premium have parents who need a lot of guidance - whereas guidance is probably needed for all parents.

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