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To feel offended by this email from the school?

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PupilpremiumWTF · 24/10/2025 21:47

I think I'll just post the email without any elaboration for now, and see what people think, this is copied and pasted directly, with identifying info changed:

Dear Mrs X,

It’s great to be able to invite you to a special evening for parents of our Pupil Premium students in Years 7, 8 and 9 on Thursday 20th November 2025.

We’ll be starting with a light buffet tea from 5:00 pm, giving you the chance to chat informally with staff and other parents before the evenings presentations begin.

At 5:30 pm, I’ll give a short overview of how we use Pupil Premium funding here at school to support students’ learning and wellbeing, and to help every child make the best possible progress.

From 6.00 pm to 7:00 pm, we will to be joined by Elevate Education, who will deliver a practical, engaging seminar designed to help parents support learning at home.

Topics covered will include:

- Time Management – helping your child to plan effectively and avoid last-minute stress.

  • - Study Support – understanding what effective study looks like and how to make it stick.
  • - Motivation – discovering what really drives student motivation and how to nurture it.
  • - Parent E-book Access – every parent attending will receive a free e-book full of strategies and guidance.

This is a brilliant opportunity to pick up some useful ideas and find out more about how we’re supporting your child’s progress in school.

I really hope you’ll be able to join us for what promises to be an enjoyable and informative evening.

Please let us know if you can attend by completing the form on EduLink.

Kind regards,

Mr Y
Senior Assistant Headteacher

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tellmesomethingtrue · 24/10/2025 23:31

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:14

Dramatic · Today 22:35
How ridiculous that you got so offended by the school checking on it's most vulnerable children.

Posts like this are what I'm referring to. My kids weren't fucking vulnerable because they were entitled to FSM!

Why are your children entitled to free school meals? Genuine question.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:31

Peclet · 24/10/2025 23:28

it is a really clumsy and extremely exclusionary way to group people! I’m quite shocked that it has made it through to parents without someone with half a brain saying——we no this is a terrible way to communicate with our families.

id go because I’m gobby and would tell
them that I thought their bat call to the povvos was really offensive!

PP is given for a variety of reasons and to scoop all Pp Kids families like this a really gobsmacking. The assumption is really something else!

Yes, this!

saraclara · 24/10/2025 23:31

Dramatic · 24/10/2025 23:29

She really doesn't need sympathy though.

I didn't mention sympathy. It's empathy that's lacking. But all she's getting is snide comments about being 'offended about nothing' and being told she's lucky that her kids have free meals so she should just suck it up.

It's grim.

Arlanymor · 24/10/2025 23:31

Dramatic · 24/10/2025 23:29

She really doesn't need sympathy though.

Quite, particularly after all those comments about people in poverty. Even if they were done tongue-in-cheek, they don't prove any point on this thread. You can't complain about being bundled into a cohort and then rehash outdated and offensive stereotypes.

Dramatic · 24/10/2025 23:31

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:29

It’s not actual fact. I was a recipient of free school meals and an academic high achiever. It’s not possible to generalise statistics to every PP child. It’s offensive and I completely understand why the OP is offended, not by the school email but by your remarks.

You'd think being an academic high achiever you would have the capacity to understand that schools are using PP funding to engage with parents of PP pupils, a group that statistically is more likely to underachieve. It doesn't mean that every single pupil in that group will underachieve.

Jellycatspyjamas · 24/10/2025 23:32

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:21

And yet, there is post after post on this thread showing that many kids who get PP do, do well. Surely those children who have already been identified as vulnerable are the ones whose parents should be the target audience? I can see that this event would be beneficial to some, but not all PP kids need this kind of help.

My dd1 is considered a vulnerable adult because she's autistic, even though she's very capable and independent. Yes, there can be times when she's probably more vulnerable than neurotypical 22 year olds, but she has a very supportive family around her, and so doesn't need outside help.

It's the insinuation that ALL kids who get PP must come from broken, or dysfunctional, or abusive homes and therefore need help.

Or how about the insinuation that PP kids are entitled to additional types of support, and one of the ways they provide that is study skills sessions for parents. I don’t need study skills - I’m very well educated - but my kids would qualify for PP. The school isn’t insinuating they’re neglected or abused, just that they are entitled to support.

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:33

Consideringparttime · 24/10/2025 23:30

If you are such an academic high flier why are you having trouble understanding very basic national statistics

I’m not having any trouble interpreting national statistics. I’m empathising with the OP.

Arlanymor · 24/10/2025 23:33

saraclara · 24/10/2025 23:31

I didn't mention sympathy. It's empathy that's lacking. But all she's getting is snide comments about being 'offended about nothing' and being told she's lucky that her kids have free meals so she should just suck it up.

It's grim.

She's also getting very balanced comments about how funding works and why it's not offensive to use data to target communications.

lilyAllensAWestEndGirl · 24/10/2025 23:33

I think it’s a great opportunity to take up free advice. (and food) I think it’s an embarrassment thing but I grew up on free school meals and I know how beneficial a meeting like this is for those that have children in receipt of FSM. Perhaps you live in an area of poverty (like I did) and your local council is investing money to educate those that need it.

Use it or lose it…

Bobiverse · 24/10/2025 23:33

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:29

It’s not actual fact. I was a recipient of free school meals and an academic high achiever. It’s not possible to generalise statistics to every PP child. It’s offensive and I completely understand why the OP is offended, not by the school email but by your remarks.

It is fact. Given you actually don’t understand statistics or how they are applied, or why they need t9 be used when planning policy en masse then it’s pointless engaging with you.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:34

tellmesomethingtrue · 24/10/2025 23:31

Why are your children entitled to free school meals? Genuine question.

Well, they're not anymore because they're adults. But I was a carer for dd1 for quite a while, and it meant I couldn't hold down even a PT job for long. DH has always worked FT, but back then, we were entitled to tax credits, she got DLA, and we got some HB and CTB. The older she got, the less she needed me. Now she doesn't need a carer, and I work FT.

Holidaytimeyay · 24/10/2025 23:34

ScrollingLeaves · 24/10/2025 21:53

OP are you upset because PP pupils’ parents are being identified and separated off together thus losing anonymity when this talk could have been for all the parents of all the children? I would feel this.

This. Yes, YANBU, I absolutely get where you are coming from op. My kids school did a similar evening and I explained to them why I felt that was not appropriate. 1) for the reason above, they should not be singling out and identifying pp parents and children 2) they are more or less saying let’s get all the low income/poor parents together and give them an education in how they can help their children because they need it more than other parents. They also can give the poor people a free buffet 🙄. Incredibly patronising.
Whether FSM children statistically need more help is not the question, it is the way this is being delivered.
Children who receive pp and their parents should not be identified in this way, in the past kids have been bullied for receiving FSM that is why it is not supposed to be obvious when they collect their FSM.
Honestly, some schools are so out of touch. I wonder if this is in a similar ‘naice’ area to the one I live in 🙄.
I wonder how many people commenting that they can’t see a problem have ever claimed FSM.

tellmesomethingtrue · 24/10/2025 23:34

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:29

My point is surely schools are already aware of the families that need support? So instead of targeting an entire group where many aren't going to need the help, specifically target those families who you already know need help.

No they wouldn’t necessarily be aware. Many families have only just joined the school (year 7) and not a lot of information goes with them. Secondary schools have hundreds of students - they’re not going to know the circumstances of every family.

Bobiverse · 24/10/2025 23:36

Holidaytimeyay · 24/10/2025 23:34

This. Yes, YANBU, I absolutely get where you are coming from op. My kids school did a similar evening and I explained to them why I felt that was not appropriate. 1) for the reason above, they should not be singling out and identifying pp parents and children 2) they are more or less saying let’s get all the low income/poor parents together and give them an education in how they can help their children because they need it more than other parents. They also can give the poor people a free buffet 🙄. Incredibly patronising.
Whether FSM children statistically need more help is not the question, it is the way this is being delivered.
Children who receive pp and their parents should not be identified in this way, in the past kids have been bullied for receiving FSM that is why it is not supposed to be obvious when they collect their FSM.
Honestly, some schools are so out of touch. I wonder if this is in a similar ‘naice’ area to the one I live in 🙄.
I wonder how many people commenting that they can’t see a problem have ever claimed FSM.

I have.

Not offended at all.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:36

Jellycatspyjamas · 24/10/2025 23:32

Or how about the insinuation that PP kids are entitled to additional types of support, and one of the ways they provide that is study skills sessions for parents. I don’t need study skills - I’m very well educated - but my kids would qualify for PP. The school isn’t insinuating they’re neglected or abused, just that they are entitled to support.

Obviously, it's great that PP kids are entitled to extra support (something both my dds needed as they're dyslexic), but that doesn't mean I need help! Target those families that have already been identified to have chaotic or dysfunctional home lives.

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:36

Bobiverse · 24/10/2025 23:33

It is fact. Given you actually don’t understand statistics or how they are applied, or why they need t9 be used when planning policy en masse then it’s pointless engaging with you.

Given that I have a degree in statistics and how they are applied in educational settings, plus 30 years of teaching experience, your claims are incorrect.

Consideringparttime · 24/10/2025 23:37

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:36

Given that I have a degree in statistics and how they are applied in educational settings, plus 30 years of teaching experience, your claims are incorrect.

🤣🤣🤣

Dramatic · 24/10/2025 23:37

Holidaytimeyay · 24/10/2025 23:34

This. Yes, YANBU, I absolutely get where you are coming from op. My kids school did a similar evening and I explained to them why I felt that was not appropriate. 1) for the reason above, they should not be singling out and identifying pp parents and children 2) they are more or less saying let’s get all the low income/poor parents together and give them an education in how they can help their children because they need it more than other parents. They also can give the poor people a free buffet 🙄. Incredibly patronising.
Whether FSM children statistically need more help is not the question, it is the way this is being delivered.
Children who receive pp and their parents should not be identified in this way, in the past kids have been bullied for receiving FSM that is why it is not supposed to be obvious when they collect their FSM.
Honestly, some schools are so out of touch. I wonder if this is in a similar ‘naice’ area to the one I live in 🙄.
I wonder how many people commenting that they can’t see a problem have ever claimed FSM.

My kids get FSM and I see absolutely no problem at all. They aren't going to be identified to anyone who isn't also receiving PP so why does it matter if they know who each other are?

sittingonabeach · 24/10/2025 23:38

Why do some posters think schools get pupil premium funding? Schools have to include a report on their website stating what they spend the funding on and what impact it has. School data includes data on pupil premium children

YetiRosetti · 24/10/2025 23:38

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:23

As the highly educated child of a single parent and a single parent of a DC who has a First from Cambridge, please stop making assumptions.

I’m a single parent and would bloody love it if the school I want my kids to go to for secondary put single parent families at the top of the admissions criteria like they do pupil premium students. My kids probably don’t need that support, but I certainly wouldn’t go getting all offended that someone was trying to help single parent families because I personally didn’t need it.

its honestly ridiculous that targeted support is now seen as offensive.

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:38

tellmesomethingtrue · 24/10/2025 23:34

No they wouldn’t necessarily be aware. Many families have only just joined the school (year 7) and not a lot of information goes with them. Secondary schools have hundreds of students - they’re not going to know the circumstances of every family.

I missed that this was a secondary school, I was thinking it was a primary school.

Jellycatspyjamas · 24/10/2025 23:40

PrincessC0nsuelaBananaHammock · 24/10/2025 23:36

Obviously, it's great that PP kids are entitled to extra support (something both my dds needed as they're dyslexic), but that doesn't mean I need help! Target those families that have already been identified to have chaotic or dysfunctional home lives.

Edited

The problem with that is that all kids in dysfunctional homes are often not known to the school, there may be families on the edges who would benefit from support and families not in any way dysfunctional or chaotic who would value it.

Being invited isn’t a judgement - it’s an offer of support which parents can take or leave.

Bobiverse · 24/10/2025 23:40

MarinaBallerina · 24/10/2025 23:36

Given that I have a degree in statistics and how they are applied in educational settings, plus 30 years of teaching experience, your claims are incorrect.

I think the correct response to a statistician who doesn’t understand the application of help based on statistics is, yes dear.

Consideringparttime · 24/10/2025 23:41

The other thing posters are missing is the natural personalities of teenagers. School events help parents and teachers form a united front , parents know what the teachers have said about how to study etc, and everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet

Peclet · 24/10/2025 23:41

YetiRosetti · 24/10/2025 23:38

I’m a single parent and would bloody love it if the school I want my kids to go to for secondary put single parent families at the top of the admissions criteria like they do pupil premium students. My kids probably don’t need that support, but I certainly wouldn’t go getting all offended that someone was trying to help single parent families because I personally didn’t need it.

its honestly ridiculous that targeted support is now seen as offensive.

targeted yes. To whole cohorts with no anonymity- no!!.
My child and their needs are unique to them. PP or not.

This grouping is really really poor.

BAME children underperform. Shall we invite all the BAME families in and target them?? Never.

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